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Àðòåì
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: 10.03.2003
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IMHO ýòî íå òåñò íà ëîãè÷åñêîå ìûøëåíèå, à íà òî, ñîîòâåòñòâóåò ëè âàøå ìûøëåíèå êàêèì-òî ðàìêàì, óñòàíîâëåííûì ñîçäàòåëÿìè òåñòà.
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Êñòàòè, òåñòû íà èçìåðåíèå IQ, ÈÌÕÎ òîæå.
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À âîîáùå ïîðà áû èì òàì ñ äóðüþ çàâÿçûâàòü. Êàêèå-òî êðîêîäèëû ñ âåëèêàíàìè - get a life, people.  |
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Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003
: 10421
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Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ïðåäìåò "Managerial Applications of Information Technology" ó íàñ â óíèâåðå ÿâëÿåòñÿ îáÿçàòåëüíûì. Âîò ïðèìåð ñîâåðøåííî èäèîòñêîãî ïðîìåæóòî÷íîãî òåñòà (åñëè êîìó èíòåðåñíî):
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1. The three activities in an information system that produce the information organizations use to control operations are: (Points: 5)
Information retrieval, research, and analysis.
Input, output, and feedback.
Input, processing, and output.
Data analysis, processing, and feedback.
2. The costs for firms operating on a global scale have been drasticallly reduced by: (Points: 5)
Networking technology
Investments in organizational complementary assets
The Internet
The rise of digital content
3. These systems are especially suited to situations in which the procedure for arriving at a solution may not be fully predefined in advance: (Points: 5)
Management information systems
Transaction processing systems
Decision-support systems
Knowledge management systems
4. To monitor the status of internal operations and the firm's relations with the external environment, managers need _________________________ systems. (Points: 5)
Decision support
Knowledge
Transaction processing
Management information
5. These systems are typically a major source of data for other systems: (Points: 5)
Transaction processing systems
Management information systems
Executive support systems
Decision support systems
6. Engineers, scientists, or architects, who design new products or services for a firm, belong to which level of a business hierarchy? (Points: 5)
Middle management
Production workers
Knowledge workers
Data workers
7. In a business hierarchy, the level that is responsible for monitoring the daily activities of the business is: (Points: 5)
Middle management
Service workers
Production management
Operational management
8. The term “management information systems” designates a specific category of information systems serving: (Points: 5)
Integrated data processing throughout the firm
Transaction process reporting
Employees with online access to historical records
Middle management functions
9. __________________________ is the process that integrates supplier, manufacturer, distributor, and customer logistics processes. (Points: 5)
Collaborative distribution
Supply-chain management
Reverse logistics
Enterprise planning
10. The four major types of competitive strategy are: (Points: 5)
Low-cost leadership; substitute products and services;customers; and suppliers.
Low-cost leadership; product differentiation; focus on market niche; and customer and supplier intimacy.
New market entrants; substitute products and services; customers; and suppliers.
Low-cost leadership; new market entrants; product differentiation; and focus on market niche.
11. Wal-Mart's continuous replenishment system allows it to: (Points: 5)
Provide mass customization
Provide an efficient customer response system
Strengthen customer intimacy
Achieve economy of scale
12. When a firm provides a specialized product or service for a narrow target market better than competitors, they are using a: (Points: 5)
Product differentiation strategy
Market niche strategy
Mass customization strategy
Process efficiency strategy
13. To what competitive force did the printed encyclopedia industry succumb? (Points: 5)
Positioning and rivalry among competitors
Low cost of entry
Substitute products or services
Customer's bargaining power
14. Internet technology: (Points: 5)
Makes it easy for rivals to compete on price alone.
Imposes a significant cost of entry, due to infrastructure requirements.
Increases the difference between competitors because of the wide availability of information.
Makes it easy to sustain operational advantages.
15. The Internet raises the bargaining power of customers by: (Points: 5)
Creating new opportunities for building loyal customer bases
Making more products available
Making information available to everyone
Lowering transaction costs
16. eBay is an example of: (Points: 5)
A click-and-mortar business
C2C electronic commerce
B2C electronic commerce
An online exchange
17. Businesses retailing products and services directly via the Internet to individual consumers best describes: (Points: 5)
B2B electronic commerce
C2C electronic commerce
M-commerce
B2C electronic commerce
18. EDI is: (Points: 5)
The use of Internet technologies for electronic data transactions.
The exchange between two organizations of standard transactions through a network.
Electronic data invoicing.
Electronic delivery infrastructure.
19. The quality of ubiquity, as it relates to e-commerce, is illustrated by: (Points: 5)
The same set of standards being used across the globe.
Plentiful, cheap information.
The enabling of commerce worldwide.
The availability of Internet technology everywhere and anytime.
20. The type of decision that can be made by following a definite procedure is called a(n): (Points: 5)
Structured decision
Unstructured decision
Semistructured decision
Procedural decision
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Ñïðàøèâàåòñÿ, íà êàêîé õðåí âñå ýòî íóæíî!??? 
Îïûòíûå ëþäè, ñêàæèòå, êàê ÷àñòî âàì ïðèøëîñü çàäóìàòüñÿ â ðåàëüíîé æèçíè íàä òàêèì, íàïðèìåð, âîïðîñîì:
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Middle management
Production workers
Knowledge workers
Data workers
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Êàê ïîñëå ýòîãî íå íåíàâèäåòü ïðåïîäàâàòåëåé, êîòîðûå èìåþò ñîâåñòü ïðåïîäàâàòü íèêîìó íåíóæíóþ òåîðèþ... Îñîáåííî, êîãäà çà êàæäûé êëàññ ïðèõîäèòñÿ ïëàòèòü 2000 äîëëàðîâ...
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richy
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
: 08.05.2008
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Îïûòíûå ëþäè, ñêàæèòå, êàê ÷àñòî âàì ïðèøëîñü çàäóìàòüñÿ â ðåàëüíîé æèçíè íàä òàêèì, íàïðèìåð, âîïðîñîì:
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6. Engineers, scientists, or architects, who design new products or services for a firm, belong to which level of a business hierarchy? (Points: 5)
Middle management
Production workers
Knowledge workers
Data workers
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Êàê ïîñëå ýòîãî íå íåíàâèäåòü ïðåïîäàâàòåëåé, êîòîðûå èìåþò ñîâåñòü ïðåïîäàâàòü íèêîìó íåíóæíóþ òåîðèþ... Îñîáåííî, êîãäà çà êàæäûé êëàññ ïðèõîäèòñÿ ïëàòèòü 2000 äîëëàðîâ... |
ýòî òèïà èç ñåðèè êòî ïî çâàíèþ âûøå ìàéîð èëè ïîëêîâíèê, ÿ êàíåøíà çíàþ, íî íàôèã ìíå åòó èåðàðõèþ íàäî áûëî çíàòü? ñêîêà ó êàãî òàì çâåçä è ëû÷åê. åñëè â àðìèè íèêàãî íå çíàþ  |
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White Owl
Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003
: 2452
: USA, New York City
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| Ñïðàøèâàåòñÿ, íà êàêîé õðåí âñå ýòî íóæíî!??? |
Êàê ýòî íà êàêîé? Äëÿ ìåíåäæåðîâ ýòè âîïðîñû äîëæíû áûòü íà óðîâíå àêñèîì.
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Îïûòíûå ëþäè, ñêàæèòå, êàê ÷àñòî âàì ïðèøëîñü çàäóìàòüñÿ â ðåàëüíîé æèçíè íàä òàêèì, íàïðèìåð, âîïðîñîì:
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6. Engineers, scientists, or architects, who design new products or services for a firm, belong to which level of a business hierarchy? (Points: 5)
Middle management
Production workers
Knowledge workers
Data workers
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Ýòîò âîïðîñ îñîáåííî èìååò ñìûñë åñëè òû áóäåøü ðàáîòàòü â HR è/èëè ðåøàòü ñêîëüêî ôèðìà áóäåò ïëàòèòü íàíèìàåìîìó ñîòðóäíèêó.
Âîïðîñíèê ðàññ÷èòàí íà ìåíåäæåðîâ à íå íà "* workers". |
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MaxNero
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 19.04.2005
: 641
: Different city in USA :) -> Moscow, RU -> USA
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Êàê ýòî íà êàêîé? Äëÿ ìåíåäæåðîâ ýòè âîïðîñû äîëæíû áûòü íà óðîâíå àêñèîì.
Ýòîò âîïðîñ îñîáåííî èìååò ñìûñë åñëè òû áóäåøü ðàáîòàòü â HR è/èëè ðåøàòü ñêîëüêî ôèðìà áóäåò ïëàòèòü íàíèìàåìîìó ñîòðóäíèêó.
Âîïðîñíèê ðàññ÷èòàí íà ìåíåäæåðîâ à íå íà "* workers". |
Ïîääåðæó - êàê ìåíåäæåð òû äîëæåí óìåòü ôîðìèðîâàòü ãðóïïû(êàæäàÿ ãðóïïó èìååò ñâîè õàðàêòåðèñòèêè) ñîòðóäíèêîâ äëÿ îáëåã÷åíèÿ óïðàâëåíèÿ (îïëàòà òðóäà òîëüêî ÷àñòü äàííîãî ïðîöåññà).
À íàñ÷åò ãðóïï âñïîìíèëàñü òàêàÿ èñòîðèÿ:
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Âîïðîñ íà ñîáåñåäîâàíèè:
Êîìïàíèÿ ïîëó÷èëà äîïîëíèòåëüíóþ ïðèáûëü è âûäåëèëà â ïðåìèàëüíûé ôîíä 100 ìëí. ðóáëåé. Êàê ðàçäåëèòü ôîíä ìåæäó òîï-ìåíåäæåðàìè, ìåíåäæåðàìè è îñòàëüíûì ïåðñîíàëîì?
Îòâåòû 2-óõ ïîáåäèòåëåé, ñòàâøèõ ìåíåäæåðàìè:
1. 40 ìëí. Ö òîïàì, 35 ìëí. Ö ìåíåäæåðàì, 25 ìëí. Ö îñòàëüíûì
2. 20 ìëí. Ö òîïàì, 40 ìëí. Ö ìåíåäæåðàì, 40 ìëí. Ö îñòàëüíûì.
À âîò îòâåò ïîáåäèòåëÿ, ñòàâøåãî íà÷àëüíèêîì îòäåëà:
- Âûäàòü ïðåìèþ áóõãàëòåðèè çà ìîë÷àíèå, à îñòàëüíóþ ñóììó ðàçäåëèòü ìåæäó òîï-ìåíåäæåðàìè. |
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Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| Êàê ýòî íà êàêîé? Äëÿ ìåíåäæåðîâ ýòè âîïðîñû äîëæíû áûòü íà óðîâíå àêñèîì. |
Çà÷åì?
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Ýòîò âîïðîñ îñîáåííî èìååò ñìûñë åñëè òû áóäåøü ðàáîòàòü â HR è/èëè ðåøàòü ñêîëüêî ôèðìà áóäåò ïëàòèòü íàíèìàåìîìó ñîòðóäíèêó.
Âîïðîñíèê ðàññ÷èòàí íà ìåíåäæåðîâ à íå íà "* workers". |
Ñïèøåì íà òî, ÷òî ó ìåíÿ íåò îïûòà ðàáîòû ìåíåäæåðîì. Ïðîâåðèì â áóäóùåì, íàñêîëüêî ïëîõî îòðàçèòñÿ íåæåëàíèå çíàòü ïîäîáíîé åðóíäû.
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White Owl
Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003
: 2452
: USA, New York City
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| Êàê ýòî íà êàêîé? Äëÿ ìåíåäæåðîâ ýòè âîïðîñû äîëæíû áûòü íà óðîâíå àêñèîì. |
Çà÷åì?
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Ñïèøåì íà òî, ÷òî ó ìåíÿ íåò îïûòà ðàáîòû ìåíåäæåðîì. Ïðîâåðèì â áóäóùåì, íàñêîëüêî ïëîõî îòðàçèòñÿ íåæåëàíèå çíàòü ïîäîáíîé åðóíäû. |
Âîò-âîò, ïîðàáîòàåøü ìåíåäæåðîì - ïðî÷óâñòâóåøü. |
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Andre
Íîâè÷îê
: 20.05.2008
: 6
: Ñàðàòîâ, Ðîññèÿ
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Ó íàñ â Ñàðàòîâå ðàñïðîñòðàíåíî ïðè ïðèåìó íà íåâûñîêîêâàëèôèöèðîâàííóþ ðàáîòó, ïðîñèòü êàíäèäàòîâ íàðèñîâàòü æèâîòíîãî. Ó ìåíÿ çíàêîìûé óñòðàèâàëñÿ ïðîäàâöîì-êîíñóëüòàíòîì, òàê åãî íå ïðèíÿëè è ñêàçàëè ÷òî îí áîëüíî àãðåññèâíûé ÷åëîâåê è íå ïîäõîäèò èì, è âñå ýòî ïî ðèñóíêó  , áåç âñÿêèõ òåñòîâ, ñîáåñåäîâàíèé è ò.ä. |
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Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| Ó íàñ â Ñàðàòîâå ðàñïðîñòðàíåíî ïðè ïðèåìó íà íåâûñîêîêâàëèôèöèðîâàííóþ ðàáîòó, ïðîñèòü êàíäèäàòîâ íàðèñîâàòü æèâîòíîãî. Ó ìåíÿ çíàêîìûé óñòðàèâàëñÿ ïðîäàâöîì-êîíñóëüòàíòîì, òàê åãî íå ïðèíÿëè è ñêàçàëè ÷òî îí áîëüíî àãðåññèâíûé ÷åëîâåê è íå ïîäõîäèò èì, è âñå ýòî ïî ðèñóíêó , áåç âñÿêèõ òåñòîâ, ñîáåñåäîâàíèé è ò.ä. |
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White Owl
Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003
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: USA, New York City
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| Ó íàñ â Ñàðàòîâå ðàñïðîñòðàíåíî ïðè ïðèåìó íà íåâûñîêîêâàëèôèöèðîâàííóþ ðàáîòó, ïðîñèòü êàíäèäàòîâ íàðèñîâàòü æèâîòíîãî. Ó ìåíÿ çíàêîìûé óñòðàèâàëñÿ ïðîäàâöîì-êîíñóëüòàíòîì, òàê åãî íå ïðèíÿëè è ñêàçàëè ÷òî îí áîëüíî àãðåññèâíûé ÷åëîâåê è íå ïîäõîäèò èì, è âñå ýòî ïî ðèñóíêó , áåç âñÿêèõ òåñòîâ, ñîáåñåäîâàíèé è ò.ä. |
Âîîáùå-òî ýòî è åñòü òåñò. Ïðè÷åì î÷åíü òî÷íûé. Åñëè òû íå óìååøü ÷èòàòü òàêèå êàðòèíêè ýòî åùå íå çíà÷èò ÷òî îíè ñîâñåì áåññìûñëåííû.
Òû èõ òîæå íå óìååøü ÷èòàòü? |
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Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003
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| Òû èõ òîæå íå óìååøü ÷èòàòü? |
Íå óìåþ è "óìåòü" íå õî÷ó.
Ñìåÿëñÿ ïîòîìó, ÷òî ïðåäñòàâèë, êàê ñîâêîâûå íà÷àëüíèêè ðàçãëÿäûâàþò ýòè ðèñóíêè è ïûòàþòñÿ íàéòè ñìûñë: "Çäåñü ìàçîê ãðóáûé - áóäåò ïëîõî îáùàòüñÿ ñ êëèåíòàìè. Çäåñü êîíòóðû íå äîâåäåíû äî êîíöà - áåçàëàáåðíàÿ ëè÷íîñòü." 
Âèäèìî õîðîøåé âñå-òàêè ñòàëà æèçíü â Ðîññèè, ðàç íàðîä ñòàë ñ æèðó áåñèòüñÿ, ìíèòü ñåáÿ ïñèõîëîãàìè.
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Andre
Íîâè÷îê
: 20.05.2008
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: Ñàðàòîâ, Ðîññèÿ
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| Ó íàñ â Ñàðàòîâå ðàñïðîñòðàíåíî ïðè ïðèåìó íà íåâûñîêîêâàëèôèöèðîâàííóþ ðàáîòó, ïðîñèòü êàíäèäàòîâ íàðèñîâàòü æèâîòíîãî. Ó ìåíÿ çíàêîìûé óñòðàèâàëñÿ ïðîäàâöîì-êîíñóëüòàíòîì, òàê åãî íå ïðèíÿëè è ñêàçàëè ÷òî îí áîëüíî àãðåññèâíûé ÷åëîâåê è íå ïîäõîäèò èì, è âñå ýòî ïî ðèñóíêó , áåç âñÿêèõ òåñòîâ, ñîáåñåäîâàíèé è ò.ä. |
Âîîáùå-òî ýòî è åñòü òåñò. Ïðè÷åì î÷åíü òî÷íûé. Åñëè òû íå óìååøü ÷èòàòü òàêèå êàðòèíêè ýòî åùå íå çíà÷èò ÷òî îíè ñîâñåì áåññìûñëåííû
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ß íå ãîâîðþ ÷òî îíè ñîâñåì áåññìûñëåíûå, ïðîñòî ÿ äóìàþ ýòî íå ñàìûé ëó÷øèé ñïîñîá óçíàòü î ÷åëîâåêå, òåì áîëåå ïðè ïðèåìå íà ðàáîòó. È âîîáùå ÿ äóìàþ ðèñóíîê çàâèñèò íå òîëüêî îò õàðàêòåðà, íî îò ìíîãèõ ôàêòîðîâ (íàñòðîåíèå, îáñòàíîâêà è ò.ä.). À ìåíåäæåðû îïðåäåëÿþò ðèñóíêè ïî ñòàíäàðòó,
åñëè ãîëîâà ó æèâîòîíîãî ïîâåðíóòà âïðàâî òî òû ñòðåìèøüñÿ â áóäóùåå, åñëè âëåâî òî íåò è ò.ä., è íå ìîãóò ðàçîáðàòüñÿ âî âñåõ òîíêîñòÿõ òàê êàê ðàçáåðàåòñÿ â íèõ ïñèõîëîã. ß èìåë â âèäó ýòî. |
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Andre
Íîâè÷îê
: 20.05.2008
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: Ñàðàòîâ, Ðîññèÿ
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| Ó íàñ â Ñàðàòîâå ðàñïðîñòðàíåíî ïðè ïðèåìó íà íåâûñîêîêâàëèôèöèðîâàííóþ ðàáîòó, ïðîñèòü êàíäèäàòîâ íàðèñîâàòü æèâîòíîãî. Ó ìåíÿ çíàêîìûé óñòðàèâàëñÿ ïðîäàâöîì-êîíñóëüòàíòîì, òàê åãî íå ïðèíÿëè è ñêàçàëè ÷òî îí áîëüíî àãðåññèâíûé ÷åëîâåê è íå ïîäõîäèò èì, è âñå ýòî ïî ðèñóíêó , áåç âñÿêèõ òåñòîâ, ñîáåñåäîâàíèé è ò.ä. |
Âîîáùå-òî ýòî è åñòü òåñò. Ïðè÷åì î÷åíü òî÷íûé. Åñëè òû íå óìååøü ÷èòàòü òàêèå êàðòèíêè ýòî åùå íå çíà÷èò ÷òî îíè ñîâñåì áåññìûñëåííû
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ß íå ãîâîðþ ÷òî îíè ñîâñåì áåññìûñëåíûå, ïðîñòî ÿ äóìàþ ýòî íå ñàìûé ëó÷øèé ñïîñîá óçíàòü î ÷åëîâåêå, òåì áîëåå ïðè ïðèåìå íà ðàáîòó. È âîîáùå ÿ äóìàþ ðèñóíîê çàâèñèò íå òîëüêî îò õàðàêòåðà, íî îò ìíîãèõ ôàêòîðîâ (íàñòðîåíèå, îáñòàíîâêà è ò.ä.). À ìåíåäæåðû îïðåäåëÿþò ðèñóíêè ïî ñòàíäàðòó,
åñëè ãîëîâà ó æèâîòîíîãî ïîâåðíóòà âïðàâî òî òû ñòðåìèøüñÿ â áóäóùåå, åñëè âëåâî òî íåò è ò.ä., è íå ìîãóò ðàçîáðàòüñÿ âî âñåõ òîíêîñòÿõ òàê êàê ðàçáåðàåòñÿ â íèõ ïñèõîëîã. ß èìåë â âèäó ýòî. |
Âîò ïîêà ÿ ýòî ïèñàë, Àíäðåé ìåíÿ îïåðåäèë è âûñêàçàë ýòó æå ìûñëü |
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White Owl
Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003
: 2452
: USA, New York City
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| ß íå ãîâîðþ ÷òî îíè ñîâñåì áåññìûñëåíûå, ïðîñòî ÿ äóìàþ ýòî íå ñàìûé ëó÷øèé ñïîñîá óçíàòü î ÷åëîâåêå, òåì áîëåå ïðè ïðèåìå íà ðàáîòó. |
Ïðè ïðèåìå íà íåêàâèëèöèðîâàííóþ ðàáîòó - âïîëíå õâàòèò. Îöåíèòü ïðîôïðèãîäíîñòü ãðóç÷èêà ìîæíî îäíèì âçãëÿäîì äîñòàòî÷íî ïîñìîòðåòü íà åãî ìûøöû. À îöåíèòü åãî õàðàêòåð è óðîâåíü èíòåëëåêòà - ðèñóíî÷íûå òåñòû ñàìîå îíî.
| Andre (): |
È âîîáùå ÿ äóìàþ ðèñóíîê çàâèñèò íå òîëüêî îò õàðàêòåðà, íî îò ìíîãèõ ôàêòîðîâ (íàñòðîåíèå, îáñòàíîâêà è ò.ä.). À ìåíåäæåðû îïðåäåëÿþò ðèñóíêè ïî ñòàíäàðòó,
åñëè ãîëîâà ó æèâîòîíîãî ïîâåðíóòà âïðàâî òî òû ñòðåìèøüñÿ â áóäóùåå, åñëè âëåâî òî íåò è ò.ä., è íå ìîãóò ðàçîáðàòüñÿ âî âñåõ òîíêîñòÿõ òàê êàê ðàçáåðàåòñÿ â íèõ ïñèõîëîã. ß èìåë â âèäó ýòî. |
Âîò âûðàñòåøü, âûó÷èøüñÿ, áóäåøü çíàòü ÷òî òàì çà÷åì è ïî÷åìó.
È âîîáùå, ïî÷åìó òû ðåøèë ÷òî åñëè ÷åëîâåê ìåíåäæåð, òî ó íåãî íåò ïñèõîëîãè÷åñêîãî îáðàçîâàíèÿ? |
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White Owl
Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003
: 2452
: USA, New York City
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| Òû èõ òîæå íå óìååøü ÷èòàòü? |
Íå óìåþ è "óìåòü" íå õî÷ó. |
Íó è çðÿ. Ëèøíèå çíàíèÿ è óìåíèÿ íèêîìó íå âðåäèëè.
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| Ñìåÿëñÿ ïîòîìó, ÷òî ïðåäñòàâèë, êàê ñîâêîâûå íà÷àëüíèêè ðàçãëÿäûâàþò ýòè ðèñóíêè è ïûòàþòñÿ íàéòè ñìûñë: "Çäåñü ìàçîê ãðóáûé - áóäåò ïëîõî îáùàòüñÿ ñ êëèåíòàìè. Çäåñü êîíòóðû íå äîâåäåíû äî êîíöà - áåçàëàáåðíàÿ ëè÷íîñòü." |
Íå, íó åñëè ÷åëîâåê äåéñòâèòåëüíî íå óìååò à áåðåòñÿ äåëàòü, òî ýòî äåéñòâèòåëüíî ìîæåò áûòü ñìåøíûì è ïðèâîäèòü ê èäèîòñêèì ðåçóëüòàòàì. Íî âåäü íå äîêàçàíî ÷òî â äàííîì êîíêðåòíîì ñëó÷àå òåñò ïðîâîäèëè íåó÷è. |
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Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| Íó è çðÿ. Ëèøíèå çíàíèÿ è óìåíèÿ íèêîìó íå âðåäèëè. |
Ïîëåçíûå - íå âðåäÿò, áåñïîëåçíûå - âðåäÿò.
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| Íå, íó åñëè ÷åëîâåê äåéñòâèòåëüíî íå óìååò à áåðåòñÿ äåëàòü, òî ýòî äåéñòâèòåëüíî ìîæåò áûòü ñìåøíûì è ïðèâîäèòü ê èäèîòñêèì ðåçóëüòàòàì. Íî âåäü íå äîêàçàíî ÷òî â äàííîì êîíêðåòíîì ñëó÷àå òåñò ïðîâîäèëè íåó÷è. |
Ìíå ñëîæíî ïðåäñòàâèòü êîìïàíèþ â Ñàðàòîâå, â êîòîðóþ ïðèíèìàþò ïðîäàâöà è ñîáåñåäóþò åãî ïñèõîëîãè.
 ëþáîì ñëó÷àå, ÷åëîâåê ìîæåò íå óìåòü ðèñîâàòü ñîâñåì (ó ìåíÿ åñòü îäèí çíàêîìûé òàêîé - î÷åíü óìíûé, èíòåðåñíûé, íà÷èòàííûé, íî ðèñîâàòü íå ìîæåò ) - â òîïêó òàêîãî ÷åëîâåêà çíà÷èò, ðàç îí íå ïîäõîäèò ïîä øàáëîí ïñèõîëîãà, êîòîðîìó êòî-òî ðàññêàçàë, ÷òî åñëè æèâîòíîå ñìîòðèò âïðàâî - õîðîøî, âëåâî - ïëîõî?
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MaxNero
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 19.04.2005
: 641
: Different city in USA :) -> Moscow, RU -> USA
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Ìåíÿ â îäíîé èç êîíòîð ïðîâåðÿëè ïî ïî÷åðêó. Äîñòàòî÷íî òî÷íî îïèñàëè ïñèõîïðîôèëü.
Íà ñàìîì äåëå, ýòî êàæåòüñÿ ìåëî÷üþ, à âîò êàãäà íàó÷èøüñÿ èç ìåëî÷åé ñêëàäûâàòü êàðòèíû - âîò ýòî ñàìîå íàñòîÿùåå óäîâîëüñòâèå . È íàñ÷åò ìåíåäæåðîâ - ñåé÷àñ íà ëþáîì áîëåå ìåíåå íîðìàëüíîì òðåíèíãå äàþò êàê ìèíèìóì îñíîâû àíàëèçà ëþäåé. Ïîýòîìó íå îáÿçàòåëüíî èìåòü ñïåöèàëüíî âûñøåå îáðàçîâàíèå ïî ïñèõîëîãèè. Ýòî ñêîðåå íóæíî, ÷òî áû óæå ïîìîãàòü ëþäÿì ãëóáîêî ðàçáèðàòüñÿ â ñåáå.
Êñòàòè, äàæå åñëè âû è íå ðàáîòàåòå ñ ëþäüìè, çíàíèÿ îñíîâ ìîãóò î÷åíü ïîìî÷ü íà òîì æå ñîáåñåäîâàíèè - ïðîéòè òåñòû, âçÿòü èíèöèàòèâó â ðàçãîâîðàõ, óìåíèå îïðåäåëÿòü êîé êîé òèï âîñïðèÿòèÿ èíôîðìàöèè áëèæå âàøåìó ñîáåñåäíèêó è ïîäàâàòü èíôîðìàöèþ èìåííî ýòèì ïóòåì, çíàíèÿ òîãî, êàê ëþäè ïîäñîçíàòåëüíî ÷èòàåò íàøå ïîâåäåíèå è óìåíåå ìàíèïóëèðîâàòü ýòèì.
ß ëåòàë íåäàâíî íà òðåíèíã, ãäå ñîáèðàëèñü îáó÷àþùèå ìåíåäæåðû ñ íåñêîëüêèõ ñòðàí - òàê âîò êàê áû ìû íå îòëè÷àëèñü êóëüòóðíî, êàê ìèíèìóì îñíîâû ïñèõîëîãèè âåçäå îäíè è òîæå. |
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White Owl
Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003
: 2452
: USA, New York City
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| Íó è çðÿ. Ëèøíèå çíàíèÿ è óìåíèÿ íèêîìó íå âðåäèëè. |
Ïîëåçíûå - íå âðåäÿò, áåñïîëåçíûå - âðåäÿò. |
Âåðíûé ïîñëåäîâàòåëü Õîëìñà?
| Andrew (): |
| Ìíå ñëîæíî ïðåäñòàâèòü êîìïàíèþ â Ñàðàòîâå, â êîòîðóþ ïðèíèìàþò ïðîäàâöà è ñîáåñåäóþò åãî ïñèõîëîãè. |
Ïî÷åìó??? Ê òîìó æå íå îáÿçàòåëüíî áûòü ïðîôåññèîíàëüíûì ïñèõîëîãîì ÷òîáû èìåòü çíàíèÿ ïñèõîëîãà. ß æå íå çàðàáàòûâàþ ïñèõîëîãèåé, òåì íå ìåíåå ÿ âïîëíå ìîã áû ýòîò òåñò ïðîâåñòè. ß ýòî óìåþ, ìåíÿ ó÷èëè. Íó è ÷òî, ÷òî â äàëüíåéøåì ÿ ïîøåë ïî äðóãîé ñòåçå, çíàíèÿ òî íèêóäà íå äåëèñü. È ÷òî ìåøàåò òîìó ñàðàòîâñêîìó äèðåêòîðó ìàãàçèíà áûòü òàêèì æå êàê ÿ?
 êîíöå-êîíöîâ, ìíîãèå áîëüøèå êîìïàíèè èìåþò â ñâîåì øòàòå ïîëíîöåííûõ ïñèõîëîãîâ â ñâîèõ HR îòäåëàõ.
| Andrew (): |
|  ëþáîì ñëó÷àå, ÷åëîâåê ìîæåò íå óìåòü ðèñîâàòü ñîâñåì (ó ìåíÿ åñòü îäèí çíàêîìûé òàêîé - î÷åíü óìíûé, èíòåðåñíûé, íà÷èòàííûé, íî ðèñîâàòü íå ìîæåò ) - â òîïêó òàêîãî ÷åëîâåêà çíà÷èò, ðàç îí íå ïîäõîäèò ïîä øàáëîí ïñèõîëîãà, êîòîðîìó êòî-òî ðàññêàçàë, ÷òî åñëè æèâîòíîå ñìîòðèò âïðàâî - õîðîøî, âëåâî - ïëîõî? |
Óìåíèå ðèñîâàòü çäåñü ñîâåðøåííî íå âàæíî Êàê áû òû íè ðèñîâàë, ïëîõî-õîðîøî, êàðàíäàøàìè-êðàñêàìè òû íèêóäà íå äåíåøüñÿ îò ñâîåãî ïîäñîçíàíèÿ.
Êñòàòè, ñìîòðèò æèâîòíîå âïðàâî èëè âëåâî - íå òàê óæ âàæíî êàê âàì êàæåòñÿ. |
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White Owl
Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003
: 2452
: USA, New York City
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| MaxNero (): |
| Ýòî ñêîðåå íóæíî, ÷òî áû óæå ïîìîãàòü ëþäÿì ãëóáîêî ðàçáèðàòüñÿ â ñåáå. |
À ýòî êñòàòè äîïîëíèòåëüíûå ïðîáëåìû äëÿ HR Åñëè òû óìååøü àíàëèçèðîâàòü ðåçóëüòàòû òåñòà, òû âñåãäà ìîæåøü â ýòîì òåñòå ñæóëüíè÷àòü è ïîêàçàòü ïðèíèìàþùåìó òî ÷òî òû õî÷åøü åìó ïîêàçàòü. Òå æå êàðòèíî÷íûå òåñòû ëè÷íî ìíå äàâàòü áåññìûñëåííî - ÿ çíàþ ÷òî è êàê òàì íàäî ðèñîâàòü ÷òîáû èçîáðàçèòü è ãíåâ è ðàäîñòü è âíèìàòåëüíîñòü è áåçàëàáåðíîñòü. |
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MaxNero
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 19.04.2005
: 641
: Different city in USA :) -> Moscow, RU -> USA
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| Andrew (): |
 ëþáîì ñëó÷àå, ÷åëîâåê ìîæåò íå óìåòü ðèñîâàòü ñîâñåì (ó ìåíÿ åñòü îäèí çíàêîìûé òàêîé - î÷åíü óìíûé, èíòåðåñíûé, íà÷èòàííûé, íî ðèñîâàòü íå ìîæåò ) - â òîïêó òàêîãî ÷åëîâåêà çíà÷èò, ðàç îí íå ïîäõîäèò ïîä øàáëîí ïñèõîëîãà, êîòîðîìó êòî-òî ðàññêàçàë, ÷òî åñëè æèâîòíîå ñìîòðèò âïðàâî - õîðîøî, âëåâî - ïëîõî? |
Êàêàÿ ðàçíèöà - õîòü ÷åðòî÷êàìè íàðèñîâàòü îí ñìîæåò. À ðåçóëüòàòû ïîäòâåðæäàëè è ïîäòâåðæäàþòñÿ ïðàêòèêîé. È ÷åëîâåêà íå â òîïêó, à íà äðóãóþ ñïåöèàëüíîñòü. Îäíî èç ïåðâûõ ïðàâèëî â íàéìå ëþäåé - "ïëîõî åñëè îøèáàåøüñÿ è íå íàíèìàåøü òàëàíòëèâîãî ÷åëîâåêà, íî ãîðàçäî õóæå, åñëè ïðîïóñêàåøü ïëîõîãî". Ò.ê. òàëàíòëèâûé ÷åëîâåê - ýòî òîëüêî ïîòåíöèàëüíàÿ ïðèáûëü, à ïëîõîé - 100% óáûòêè. |
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