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Oluna Ïòèöà-Ãîâîðóí

: 07.03.2003 : 931 : Piter-Santa Clara, CA
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: , 19, 2004 8:02pm : |
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I think, somebody made a mistake in my W-2 form. There is an error in the amount of paid state taxes. |
íó, òû ÷òî ðàíüøå âðåìåíè-òî äà ïî áîëüíîìó.. êñòàòè, òû ñàì òàêñû äåëàåøü? Òîãäà êàêîé ïðîãðàììêîé? _________________ In our country we have three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. - Mark Twain |
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Slava ÍËÎ

: 10.03.2003 : 4182 : at this moment Stamford CT
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: , 20, 2004 5:14pm : |
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I think, somebody made a mistake in my W-2 form. There is an error in the amount of paid state taxes. |
íó, òû ÷òî ðàíüøå âðåìåíè-òî äà ïî áîëüíîìó.. êñòàòè, òû ñàì òàêñû äåëàåøü? Òîãäà êàêîé ïðîãðàììêîé? |
ß ïîêà åùå äåëàþ ýòî ÷åðåç çíàêîìîãî êîòîðûé äåëàåò ýòî ïðîôåñèîíàëüíî |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà

: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 21, 2004 5:43am : |
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| êñòàòè, òû ñàì òàêñû äåëàåøü? Òîãäà êàêîé ïðîãðàììêîé? |
ÿ òàê ñèëüíî ïîäîçðåâàþ, ÷òî ëó÷øå ïðîôåññèîíàëüíîãî áóõãàëòåðà íèêàêîé ïðîãðàììû áûòü íå ìîæåò
Ýòî â òîì ñìûñëå, ÷òî ÿ õîòü è âèäåë ðàçëè÷íûå "Tax ÷åãî-òî òàì" íà ìàãàçèííûõ ïîëêàõ, íî ïðåäïî÷òó âñå æå ïîéòè ê óæå çíàêîìîìó è ïðîâåðåííîìó áóõãàëòåðó. Äà è ñ ôèíàíñîâîé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ýòî ïîëó÷èòñÿ äåøåâëå. Ñìîòðè ñàìà - çà ïðîãðàììêó ýòó íàëîãî-äåëàòåëüíóþ òû çàïëàòèøü ñòîëüêî æå (à ìîæåò è áîëüøå) ÷åì çà óñëóãè áóõãàëòåðà. À íà ñëåäóþùèé ãîä ÷òî-òî â íàëîãàõ èçìåíèòñÿ - è òåáå ïðèéäåòñÿ îïÿòü ïîêóïàòü íîâóþ ïðîãðàììó èëè íåðâíè÷àòü âûêà÷èâàÿ àïäåéò. Äà è ñàìàÿ ãëàâíàÿ ïðè÷èíà îñòàíàâëèâàþùàÿ ìåíÿ îò äåëàíèÿ òàêñîâ ñàìîìó - ÿ íå óâåðåí ÷òî ïîéìó âñå ïîçèöèè òàìîøíèõ ôîðì. À â ñëó÷àå êàê ó ìåíÿ, êîãäà ÿ ïëà÷ó íàëîãè äâóì øòàòàì - òàì åùå è âñÿêèå âçàèìîçà÷åòû ìåæäó øòàòàìè íàäî ðàññ÷èòûâàòü...  îáùåì ÿ ïîéäó ê ïðîôåññèîíàëó  |
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Oluna Ïòèöà-Ãîâîðóí

: 07.03.2003 : 931 : Piter-Santa Clara, CA
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: , 21, 2004 6:05am : |
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| êñòàòè, òû ñàì òàêñû äåëàåøü? Òîãäà êàêîé ïðîãðàììêîé? |
ÿ òàê ñèëüíî ïîäîçðåâàþ, ÷òî ëó÷øå ïðîôåññèîíàëüíîãî áóõãàëòåðà íèêàêîé ïðîãðàììû áûòü íå ìîæåò
Ýòî â òîì ñìûñëå, ÷òî ÿ õîòü è âèäåë ðàçëè÷íûå "Tax ÷åãî-òî òàì" íà ìàãàçèííûõ ïîëêàõ, íî ïðåäïî÷òó âñå æå ïîéòè ê óæå çíàêîìîìó è ïðîâåðåííîìó áóõãàëòåðó. Äà è ñ ôèíàíñîâîé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ýòî ïîëó÷èòñÿ äåøåâëå. Ñìîòðè ñàìà - çà ïðîãðàììêó ýòó íàëîãî-äåëàòåëüíóþ òû çàïëàòèøü ñòîëüêî æå (à ìîæåò è áîëüøå) ÷åì çà óñëóãè áóõãàëòåðà. À íà ñëåäóþùèé ãîä ÷òî-òî â íàëîãàõ èçìåíèòñÿ - è òåáå ïðèéäåòñÿ îïÿòü ïîêóïàòü íîâóþ ïðîãðàììó èëè íåðâíè÷àòü âûêà÷èâàÿ àïäåéò. Äà è ñàìàÿ ãëàâíàÿ ïðè÷èíà îñòàíàâëèâàþùàÿ ìåíÿ îò äåëàíèÿ òàêñîâ ñàìîìó - ÿ íå óâåðåí ÷òî ïîéìó âñå ïîçèöèè òàìîøíèõ ôîðì. À â ñëó÷àå êàê ó ìåíÿ, êîãäà ÿ ïëà÷ó íàëîãè äâóì øòàòàì - òàì åùå è âñÿêèå âçàèìîçà÷åòû ìåæäó øòàòàìè íàäî ðàññ÷èòûâàòü...  îáùåì ÿ ïîéäó ê ïðîôåññèîíàëó  |
Äâ, íî ïðîãðàììà-òî ñòîèò áàêñîâ 50, à áóõãàëòåð 370 ðàçíèöà åñòü - ñ ó÷åòîì, ÷òî ìû ïîñòîÿííî äîïëà÷èâàåì ãîñóäàðñòâó - òî åñòü íàì äåéñòâèòåëüíî íå÷åãî ñïèñûâàòü... Ìîæåò, ýòî íîðìàëüíûå öåíû äëÿ äîëèíû, ÿ äåéñòâèòåëüíî íå ìîãó íàéòè áóõãàëòåðà äåøåâëå... Åñëè áû íàøëà, òî çà ïðîãðàììîé áû è íå øëà... _________________ In our country we have three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. - Mark Twain |
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Debaser Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 28.03.2003 : 941 : Cleveland, OH
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íó, òû ÷òî ðàíüøå âðåìåíè-òî äà ïî áîëüíîìó.. êñòàòè, òû ñàì òàêñû äåëàåøü? Òîãäà êàêîé ïðîãðàììêîé? |
À ÿ ýòî... (çàêðûâàÿñü îò ñòûäà ðóêàìè) ñ÷èòàþ íà êàëüêóëÿòîðå, à ïîòîì â Adobe ðó÷êàìè âáèâàþ  _________________
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Oluna Ïòèöà-Ãîâîðóí

: 07.03.2003 : 931 : Piter-Santa Clara, CA
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íó, òû ÷òî ðàíüøå âðåìåíè-òî äà ïî áîëüíîìó.. êñòàòè, òû ñàì òàêñû äåëàåøü? Òîãäà êàêîé ïðîãðàììêîé? |
À ÿ ýòî... (çàêðûâàÿñü îò ñòûäà ðóêàìè) ñ÷èòàþ íà êàëüêóëÿòîðå, à ïîòîì â Adobe ðó÷êàìè âáèâàþ  |
ß âåäü ñåðüåçíî ñïðàøèâàþ... Íå õî÷ó òÿíóòü... 400 áàêñîâ ëèøíèõ íåò, à äåøåâëå íàéòè áóõãàëòåðà íå ìîãó. Ìîæåò, êòî ïîäñêàæåò, ãäå òàêèå âîäÿòñÿ? _________________ In our country we have three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. - Mark Twain |
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Debaser Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 28.03.2003 : 941 : Cleveland, OH
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íó, òû ÷òî ðàíüøå âðåìåíè-òî äà ïî áîëüíîìó.. êñòàòè, òû ñàì òàêñû äåëàåøü? Òîãäà êàêîé ïðîãðàììêîé? |
À ÿ ýòî... (çàêðûâàÿñü îò ñòûäà ðóêàìè) ñ÷èòàþ íà êàëüêóëÿòîðå, à ïîòîì â Adobe ðó÷êàìè âáèâàþ  |
ß âåäü ñåðüåçíî ñïðàøèâàþ... Íå õî÷ó òÿíóòü... 400 áàêñîâ ëèøíèõ íåò, à äåøåâëå íàéòè áóõãàëòåðà íå ìîãó. Ìîæåò, êòî ïîäñêàæåò, ãäå òàêèå âîäÿòñÿ? |
Âîîáùå-òî ÿ ÷åñòíî ñàì äåëàþ - ó ìåíÿ æå íå ñâîé áèçíåñ. Òàê ÷òî EZ form - ýòî íàù âûáîð. Íó ïëþñ åù¸ ïàðà ôîðì - íà exemptions. 5 ñòðàíè÷åê ÿ è ñàì ìîãó çàïîëíèòü, òàê ÷òî íèêàêîãî ñò¸áà íå áûëî. ×åñòíîå ïèîíåðñêîå, äåëàþ íà êàëüêóëÿòîðå... _________________
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Oluna Ïòèöà-Ãîâîðóí

: 07.03.2003 : 931 : Piter-Santa Clara, CA
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EZ form - à ÷òî ýòî òàêîå? _________________ In our country we have three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. - Mark Twain |
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PaulGor Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê

: 11.11.2003 : 58 : Ìîñêâà-->Silicon Valley
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: , 21, 2004 11:04am : |
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| EZ form - à ÷òî ýòî òàêîå? |
Ýòî äëÿ òåõ, ó êîãî íàïðèìåð äîìà íåò, è òîãäà íå íàäî çàïîëíÿòü
"Itemized deductions", òî åñòü, èñïîëüçóåøü òîëüêî ñòàíäàðòíûå deductions.
Ó íàñ ïîêà äîìà íå áûëî, ÿ òîæå ñàì ñ êàëüêóëÿòîðîì è áåçî âñÿêîé ïðîãðàììû ñîñòàâëÿë
Êñòàòè, åñëè áóõãàëòåð - ñåðòèôèöèðîâàííûé, CPA, òî òû ðàñõîäû íà íåãî ìîæåøü â ñëåäóþùåì ãîäó ñïèñûâàòü, òàê ÷òî ýòî íå $400 íà ñàìîì äåëå, à ìåíüøå:
($400 - 31% îò $400) èëè ($400 - 28% îò $400) - â çàâèñèìîñòè, â êàêîì òû tax break...
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Ðóññêàÿ Âèðòóàëüíàÿ Êëàâèàòóðà "Íåò Òðàíñëèòó!":
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaulGor/onscreen.htm
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Oluna Ïòèöà-Ãîâîðóí

: 07.03.2003 : 931 : Piter-Santa Clara, CA
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: , 21, 2004 11:19am : |
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| EZ form - à ÷òî ýòî òàêîå? |
Ýòî äëÿ òåõ, ó êîãî íàïðèìåð äîìà íåò, è òîãäà íå íàäî çàïîëíÿòü
"Itemized deductions", òî åñòü, èñïîëüçóåøü òîëüêî ñòàíäàðòíûå deductions.
Ó íàñ ïîêà äîìà íå áûëî, ÿ òîæå ñàì ñ êàëüêóëÿòîðîì è áåçî âñÿêîé ïðîãðàììû ñîñòàâëÿë
Êñòàòè, åñëè áóõãàëòåð - ñåðòèôèöèðîâàííûé, CPA, òî òû ðàñõîäû íà íåãî ìîæåøü â ñëåäóþùåì ãîäó ñïèñûâàòü, òàê ÷òî ýòî íå $400 íà ñàìîì äåëå, ($400 - 31% îò $400) èëè ($400 - 28% îò $400) - â çàâèñèìîñòè, â êàêîì òû tax break... |
À íó âñå ê ÷åðòó ñàìà çàïîëíþ - óæ íå ñîâñåì áåçíàäåæíàÿ äóðà...  _________________ In our country we have three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. - Mark Twain |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà

: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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Äâ, íî ïðîãðàììà-òî ñòîèò áàêñîâ 50, à áóõãàëòåð 370  |
ÎÃÎ!
Íåååå... ïðè òàêîé ðàçíèöå â öåíå äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñòîèò çàäóìàòüñÿ. Ó ìåíÿ 50 è òàì è òàì  |
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Oluna Ïòèöà-Ãîâîðóí

: 07.03.2003 : 931 : Piter-Santa Clara, CA
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Äâ, íî ïðîãðàììà-òî ñòîèò áàêñîâ 50, à áóõãàëòåð 370  |
ÎÃÎ!
Íåååå... ïðè òàêîé ðàçíèöå â öåíå äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñòîèò çàäóìàòüñÿ. Ó ìåíÿ 50 è òàì è òàì  |
Äîëèíà, ìàòü åå... Çàòî ìîæ ÷òî î íàëîãàõ âûó÷ó  _________________ In our country we have three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. - Mark Twain |
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PaulGor Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê

: 11.11.2003 : 58 : Ìîñêâà-->Silicon Valley
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Äâ, íî ïðîãðàììà-òî ñòîèò áàêñîâ 50, à áóõãàëòåð 370  |
ÎÃÎ!
Íåååå... ïðè òàêîé ðàçíèöå â öåíå äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñòîèò çàäóìàòüñÿ. Ó ìåíÿ 50 è òàì è òàì  |
$50 çà áóõãàëòåðà? Ñòðàííî... Ìîæåò, ýòî íå ñåðòèôèöèðîâàííûé áóõãàëòåð - CPA, à ïðîñòî Tax Preparer (êîòîðûé â îòëè÷èå îò CPA íè çà ÷òî íå îòâå÷àåò â âàøèõ öèôðàõ)?
Ó íàñ òàêîé áûë - ìû áûëè î÷åíü äîâîëüíû (è öåíà ïî÷òè òàêàÿ æå), íî ïîòîì îí ýòî áðîñèë, ìíîãî ïðîãðàììèñòñêîé ðàáîòû åìó ïðèâàëèëî, íå îñòàëîñü âðåìåíè íà òàêñû...
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Ðóññêàÿ Âèðòóàëüíàÿ Êëàâèàòóðà "Íåò Òðàíñëèòó!":
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaulGor/onscreen.htm
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Oluna Ïòèöà-Ãîâîðóí

: 07.03.2003 : 931 : Piter-Santa Clara, CA
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Äâ, íî ïðîãðàììà-òî ñòîèò áàêñîâ 50, à áóõãàëòåð 370  |
ÎÃÎ!
Íåååå... ïðè òàêîé ðàçíèöå â öåíå äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñòîèò çàäóìàòüñÿ. Ó ìåíÿ 50 è òàì è òàì  |
$50 çà áóõãàëòåðà? Ñòðàííî... Ìîæåò, ýòî íå ñåðòèôèöèðîâàííûé áóõãàëòåð - CPA, à ïðîñòî Tax Preparer (êîòîðûé â îòëè÷èå îò CPA íè çà ÷òî íå îòâå÷àåò â âàøèõ öèôðàõ)?
Ó íàñ òàêîé áûë - ìû áûëè î÷åíü äîâîëüíû (è öåíà ïî÷òè òàêàÿ æå), íî ïîòîì îí ýòî áðîñèë, ìíîãî ïðîãðàììèñòñêîé ðàáîòû åìó ïðèâàëèëî, íå îñòàëîñü âðåìåíè íà òàêñû...
Ïàâåë, âñå ýòè âîïðîñû ê òîìó, ÷òî ìû ïðîñòî îáçàâèäîâàëèñü
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Ðóññêàÿ Âèðòóàëüíàÿ Êëàâèàòóðà "Íåò Òðàíñëèòó!":
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaulGor/onscreen.htm
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_________________ In our country we have three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. - Mark Twain |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà

: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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| $50 çà áóõãàëòåðà? Ñòðàííî... Ìîæåò, ýòî íå ñåðòèôèöèðîâàííûé áóõãàëòåð - CPA, à ïðîñòî Tax Preparer (êîòîðûé â îòëè÷èå îò CPA íè çà ÷òî íå îòâå÷àåò â âàøèõ öèôðàõ)? |
Ý? Îáúÿñíè ãëóïîìó ÷òî åñòü CPA è êàêèì îáðàçîì îí ìîæåò îòâå÷àòü? |
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Oluna Ïòèöà-Ãîâîðóí

: 07.03.2003 : 931 : Piter-Santa Clara, CA
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| $50 çà áóõãàëòåðà? Ñòðàííî... Ìîæåò, ýòî íå ñåðòèôèöèðîâàííûé áóõãàëòåð - CPA, à ïðîñòî Tax Preparer (êîòîðûé â îòëè÷èå îò CPA íè çà ÷òî íå îòâå÷àåò â âàøèõ öèôðàõ)? |
Ý? Îáúÿñíè ãëóïîìó ÷òî åñòü CPA è êàêèì îáðàçîì îí ìîæåò îòâå÷àòü? |
Certified Public Accountant - îí ïîäïèñûâàåò ñâîèì èìåíåì òâîþ äåêëàðàöèþ. Åñëè òàì ÷òî-òî íàïóòàíî, òî îí, à íå òû â îòâåòå. Êàê ÿ ïîíèìàþ... _________________ In our country we have three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. - Mark Twain |
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Slava ÍËÎ

: 10.03.2003 : 4182 : at this moment Stamford CT
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Ñðàçó âèäíî ÷òî ñêîðî 1 àïðåëÿ. Êàê ýòî íå ïðèêîëüíî íî ýòî ïîñëåäíèé äåíü ïîäà÷èè äåêëàðàöèè î íàëîãàõ è ýòî ïîõîæå åäèíñòâåííûé äåíü â ãîäó êîãäà ïî÷òà ðàáîòàåò äî 8 ÷àñîâ âå÷åðà à íå äî 4-õ êàê îáû÷íî. È î÷åðåäü òàêóþ ÿ áîëüøå íèãäå íå âèæó.
À ïðàâäà åùå ïîêà íå çíàþ êàê ÿ áóäó çàïîëíÿòü. Ìîæåò îòäàì 50 ãðèíîâ ÷òîáû ìíå çàïîëíèëè |
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PaulGor Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê

: 11.11.2003 : 58 : Ìîñêâà-->Silicon Valley
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| $50 çà áóõãàëòåðà? Ñòðàííî... Ìîæåò, ýòî íå ñåðòèôèöèðîâàííûé áóõãàëòåð - CPA, à ïðîñòî Tax Preparer (êîòîðûé â îòëè÷èå îò CPA íè çà ÷òî íå îòâå÷àåò â âàøèõ öèôðàõ)? |
Ý? Îáúÿñíè ãëóïîìó ÷òî åñòü CPA è êàêèì îáðàçîì îí ìîæåò îòâå÷àòü? |
Oluna óæå îòâåòèëà, ïëþñ, åñëè - òüôó-òüôó - âûçîâóò â IRS ÷åëîâåêà, òî CPA ñ íèì èä¸ò è íå äàñò çàïóòàòü.
Ïîýòîìó ó íàñ, íàïðèìåð, CPA áåðåò çà ðàáîòó ìíîãî - $400-$600 èëè áîëüøå - â çàâèñèìîñòè îò ñëîæíîñòè (åñòü äîìà/íåò äîìà, åñòü ñâîé áèçíåñ/íåò áèçíåñà,...) |
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Oluna Ïòèöà-Ãîâîðóí

: 07.03.2003 : 931 : Piter-Santa Clara, CA
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| Ïîýòîìó ó íàñ, íàïðèìåð, CPA áåðåò çà ðàáîòó ìíîãî - $400-$600 èëè áîëüøå - â çàâèñèìîñòè îò ñëîæíîñòè (åñòü äîìà/íåò äîìà, åñòü ñâîé áèçíåñ/íåò áèçíåñà,...) |
åìó ïîôèãó ÷òî åñòü, ÷åãî íåò - îí ïðîñòî áåðåò  _________________ In our country we have three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either. - Mark Twain |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà

: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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| Certified Public Accountant - îí ïîäïèñûâàåò ñâîèì èìåíåì òâîþ äåêëàðàöèþ. Åñëè òàì ÷òî-òî íàïóòàíî, òî îí, à íå òû â îòâåòå. Êàê ÿ ïîíèìàþ... |
Àãû... ïîíÿòíî â ïðèíöèïå. Èíòåðåñíî, à ó òîãî ê êîìó ÿ õîæó åñòü òàêàÿ áóìàæêà èëè íåò? Íàäî áóäåò ïîèíòåðåñîâàòüñÿ Õîòÿ ÿ óæå è òàê çíàþ ÷òî ýòîò ìóæèê âñå äåëàåò ïðàâèëüíî è òî÷íî. Ïðîâåðåííî  |
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