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Ïîëó÷åíèå àìåðèêàíñêîé âèçû äëÿ ìóçûêàíòîâ

 
Íà÷àòü íîâóþ òåìó   Îòâåòèòü íà òåìó    Ñïèñîê ôîðóìîâ Ðàçãîâîðû îá Àìåðèêå -> Ìèãðàöèÿ
Ïðåäûäóùàÿ òåìà :: Ñëåäóþùàÿ òåìà  
Àâòîð Ñîîáùåíèå
Mr. Key Pee
Íîâè÷îê


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 04.04.2006
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 2

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Âòîðíèê, Àïðåëÿ 4, 2006 2:45pm    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Ïîëó÷åíèå àìåðèêàíñêîé âèçû äëÿ ìóçûêàíòîâ Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

Îïèñûâàþ ñèòóàöèþ:

Ìîÿ ãðóïïà âðîäå áû êàê ìîæåò áûòü ïðèãëàøåíà âûñòóïèòü íà íåêîåì ôåñòèâàëå â Øòàòàõ. Ãîä íàçàä íàñ òóäà óæå ïðèãëàøàëè - îäíàêî àìåðèêàíñêàÿ ñòîðîíà íå çàïàðèëàñü ïîäãîòîâèòü íàì íåîáõîäèìûå äîêóìåíòû, à ïîåõàòü î÷åíü õîòåëîñü. Ìû íà óäà÷ó ïîøëè ïîëó÷àòü òóðèñòè÷åñêèå âèçû (êàòåãîðèè B) - è ïîëó÷èëè òðè îòêàçà (ïî êîëè÷-âó ó÷àñòíèêîâ ãðóïïû). Îòñóòñòâèå èììèãðàöèîííûõ íàìåðåíèé, âðîäå, ñîìíåíèé íå âûçûâàëî (ó âñåõ åñòü æ¸íû, äåòè, ðàáîòû è ïðî÷èå áëàãà öèâèëèçàöèè âðîäå ìàøèí è íåäâèæèìîñòè), íî âîò ìû ñäóðó òàì ëÿïíóëè, ÷òî ìóçûêàíòû - è ïîñëå ýòîãî íèêàêèå ñëîâà î òîì, ÷òî èãðàòü áóäåì íà íåêîììåð÷åñêîé îñíîâå, êîíñóëà íå óáåäèëè. Íàì áûëî ñêàçàíî ÷òî, ìîë, ïóñòü âàø ïðîìîóòåð îôîðìèò âàì work permits, òîãäà è ïðèõîäèòå çà âèçàìè. Çà ðàáî÷èìè.

Ñ òåõ ïîð ïðîøëî áîëüøå ãîäà, à ñèòóàöèÿ ñíîâà ìîæåò ñòàòü àêòóàëüíîé. Èáî åù¸ ÷åðåç ãîä â Øòàòàõ ñíîâà áóäåò ïðîâîäèòüñÿ ýòîò ôåñòèâàëü (îí ó íèõ ðàç â äâà ãîäà), è ïðîìîóòåð ôåñòèâàëÿ íàìè ïî ïðåæíåìó èíòåðåñóåòñÿ. ß åãî, íà ýòîò ðàç, åñòåñòâåííî, "ðàçâîæó" íà work permit'û. Ñåé÷àñ ìû ñ íèì êàê ðàç îáãîâàðèâàåì âñå ýòè äåòàëè (èáî ôåñòèâàëè ïîäîáíîãî ðàíãà íà÷èíàþò ïëàíèðîâàòüñÿ óæå çà ãîä äî ïðîâåäåíèÿ).

È âîò âîïðîñû ê îáùåñòâåííîñòè:

- íà êàêóþ âèçó íàì íàäî áóäåò ïîäàâàòü? H-1B èëè H-2B?
- êàêîé ïàêåò äîêóìåíòîâ ìû äîëæíû áóäåì ïðåäñòàâèòü äëÿ ýòîãî? êîíòðàêò? íàì ÷òî-òî äîëæåí ïðèñëàòü ïðîìîóòåð? èëè ïðîìîóòåð ÷òî-òî äîëæåí áóäåò ïðèñëàòü â êîíñóëüñòâî?
- êàêèì îáðàçîì ìû äîêàæåì ñâîþ êâàëèôèêàöèþ? äèïëîì è ñåðòèôèêàòû â îáëàñòè ìóçûêè åñòü òîëüêî ó ìåíÿ... â òî æå âðåìÿ ó íàñ åñòü ïóáëèêàöèè â æóðíàëàõ ïðî ãðóïïó, àôèøè ôåñòèâàëåé è êîíöåðòîâ (â òîì ÷èñëå - çàðóáåæíûõ), â êîòîðûõ ìû ó÷àñòâîâàëè, âûïóùåííûé àëüáîì...
- íàñêîëüêî ýòî âîîáùå âñ¸ ðåàëüíî, ó÷èòûâàÿ ñòîÿùèå â íàøèõ çàãðàíïàñïîðòàõ øòàìïû îá îòêàçå â òóðâèçàõ? êàêîâà âåðîÿòíîñòü ñõëîïîòàòü ïî îòêàçó åù¸ ðàç?
Âåðíóòüñÿ ê íà÷àëó
Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå
Doxx
US Patriot


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 14.06.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 2082
Îòêóäà: Ulyanovsk, Russia

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Âòîðíèê, Àïðåëÿ 4, 2006 9:24pm    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: Ïîëó÷åíèå àìåðèêàíñêîé âèçû äëÿ ìóçûêàíòîâ Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

Mr. Key Pee ïèñàë(à):

È âîò âîïðîñû ê îáùåñòâåííîñòè:

- íà êàêóþ âèçó íàì íàäî áóäåò ïîäàâàòü? H-1B èëè H-2B?

Íà Í-2Â, âèçà äëÿ ñåçîííûõ, âðåìåííûõ ðàáîòíèêîâ
Ññûëêà 1, Ññûëêà 2
Mr. Key Pee ïèñàë(à):

- êàêîé ïàêåò äîêóìåíòîâ ìû äîëæíû áóäåì ïðåäñòàâèòü äëÿ ýòîãî? êîíòðàêò? íàì ÷òî-òî äîëæåí ïðèñëàòü ïðîìîóòåð? èëè ïðîìîóòåð ÷òî-òî äîëæåí áóäåò ïðèñëàòü â êîíñóëüñòâî?

Öèòàòà: Äëÿ ïîëó÷åíèÿ ýòîé âèçû íåîáõîäèìî ïðåäîñòàâèòü äîêàçàòåëüñòâà òîãî, ÷òî áóäóùèé ðàáîòîäàòåëü ïîäàë õîäàòàéñòâî (ôîðìà I-129), è ñëóæáà èììèãðàöèè ÑØÀ îäîáðèëà åãî, è ÷òî çàÿâèòåëü èìååò íåîáõîäèìóþ êâàëèôèêàöèþ äëÿ âûïîëíåíèÿ äàííîé ðàáîòû, ò.å. ïðåäúÿâèòü äîêóìåíòû îá îáðàçîâàíèè è îïûòå ðàáîòû â ñîîòâåòñòâóþùåé îáëàñòè. Ññûëêà
Mr. Key Pee ïèñàë(à):

- êàêèì îáðàçîì ìû äîêàæåì ñâîþ êâàëèôèêàöèþ? äèïëîì è ñåðòèôèêàòû â îáëàñòè ìóçûêè åñòü òîëüêî ó ìåíÿ... â òî æå âðåìÿ ó íàñ åñòü ïóáëèêàöèè â æóðíàëàõ ïðî ãðóïïó, àôèøè ôåñòèâàëåé è êîíöåðòîâ (â òîì ÷èñëå - çàðóáåæíûõ), â êîòîðûõ ìû ó÷àñòâîâàëè, âûïóùåííûé àëüáîì...

Êàê äîêàçàòü, çäåñü ÿ íè÷åãî íå ïîäñêàæó. Êàê ÿ ïîíÿë èç âûøå ñêàçàííîãî, äîêàçûâàòü äîëæåí âàø ðàáîòîäàòåëü.......
Mr. Key Pee ïèñàë(à):
- íàñêîëüêî ýòî âîîáùå âñ¸ ðåàëüíî, ó÷èòûâàÿ ñòîÿùèå â íàøèõ çàãðàíïàñïîðòàõ øòàìïû îá îòêàçå â òóðâèçàõ? êàêîâà âåðîÿòíîñòü ñõëîïîòàòü ïî îòêàçó åù¸ ðàç?

Êàêîâà âåðîÿòíîñòü âñòðåòèòü íà óëèöå äèíîçàâðà? 50/50. Èëè òû åãî âñòðåòèøü, èëè òû åãî íå âñòðåòèøü. Òàê æå è çäåñü.
Âîîáùå ÿ ñ÷èòàþ ðåàëüíî, ïûòàòüñÿ èìååò ñìûñë.
Íåáîëüøîå îòñòóïëåíèå:  DS-ôîðìàõ, êîòîðûå ìû çàïîëíÿëè äëÿ ïîåçäêè ïî W&T, åñòü òàêèå âîïðîñû: 1. Çàíèìàëèñü ëè âû êîãäà ðàñïðîñòðàíåíèåì íàðêîòèêîâ, ïðîñòèòóöèåé, ñâîäíè÷åñòâîì 2. ßâëÿåòåñü ëè âû ÷ëåíîì òåððîðèñòè÷åñêîé îðãàíèçàöèè 3. Îòêàçûâàëèñü ëè âû â àìåðèêàíñêîì ãðàæäàíñòâå ÷òîáû èçáåæàòü íàëîãîîáëàæåíèÿ( Êëàññíî! ) è blah-blah-blah. È íèæå ãîâîðèòüñÿ, ÷òî ýòî íå îçíà÷àåò, ÷òî Âàì àâòîìàòè÷åñêè îòêàæóò â âèçå
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Ñäåëàé ñâîþ ìå÷òó öåëüþ. /Doxx/ ß ëþáëþ ÑØÀ!
Âåðíóòüñÿ ê íà÷àëó
Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå Îòïðàâèòü e-mail
Mr. Key Pee
Íîâè÷îê


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 04.04.2006
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 2

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ñðåäà, Àïðåëÿ 5, 2006 10:17am    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

À âîò ïîêîïàëñÿ ÿ òóò â èììèãðàöèîííîì çàêîíîäàòåëüñòâå ÑØÀ è íàø¸ë åù¸ âèçîâûå ñòàòóñû P-1 è P-3 - ïðåäíàçíà÷åííûå ñïåöèàëüíî äëÿ òâîð÷åñêèõ ðàáîòíèêîâ:

Öèòàòà:
(A) A P-1 classification applies to an alien who is coming temporarily to the United States:



(1) To perform at a specific athletic competition as an athlete, individually or as part of a group or team, at an internationally recognized level of performance, or



(2) To perform with, or as an integral and essential part of the performance of, an entertainment group that has been recognized internationally as being outstanding in the discipline for a sustained and substantial period of time, and who has had a sustained and substantial relationship with the group (ordinarily for at least 1 year) and provides functions integral to the performance of the group.


Öèòàòà:
(C) A P-3 classification applies to an alien artist or entertainer who is coming temporarily to the United States, either individually or as part of a group, or as an integral part of the performance of the group, to perform, teach, or coach under a commercial or noncommercial program that is culturally unique.


(ïîòûðåíî çäåñü)

×èñòî òåîðåòè÷åñêè ìîÿ ãðóïïà ïîäõîäèò ïîä îáà ñòàòóñà.

Ìû ó÷àñòâîâàëè â äâóõ ìåæäóíàðîäíûõ ôåñòèâàëÿõ, ó íàñ èçäàí àëüáîì â Øâåéöàðèè (ïðîäà¸òñÿ ïî âñåìó ìèðó), î íàñ ïèñàëè â çàðóáåæíûõ æóðíàëàõ, ïåñíè çâó÷àò íà çàðóáåæíûõ ðàäèîñòàíöèÿõ, êîíå÷íî, ìû íå çâ¸çäû MTV, è íàñ íå çíàåò íà óëèöå êàæäûé âòîðîé, íî â êðóãàõ ïîêëîííèêîâ íàøåé ìóçûêè (ðîêàáèëëè, ðîê-í-ðîëë 50-õ ãîäîâ) ìû, äóìàþ, óæå ìîæåì ñ÷èòàòüñÿ internationally recognized - ò. å. ïðåòåíäîâàòü íà ñòàòóñ P-1.

 òî æå âðåìÿ, õîòü è èãðàåì ìû ìóçûêó òèïè÷íî àìåðèêàíñêîìó, ó íàñ â ðåïåðòóàðå î÷åíü ìíîãî ïåñåí ñâîåãî ñîáñòâåííîãî ñî÷èíåíèÿ, ñ òåêñòàìè ïóñòü è íà àíãëèéñêîì, íî âðåìåíàìè õàðàêòåðèçóþùèìè èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî ðîññèéñêèå àñïåêòû æèçíè 50-õ ãîäîâ (íàïðèìåð, 21-þ Âîëãó), ò. å. â íåêîòîðîì ñìûñëå ê íàì ïðèìåíèìî è îïðåäåëåíèå culturally unique, ò. å. ñòàòóñ P-3.

×òî îáùåñòâåííîñòü äóìàåò ïî ýòîìó ïîâîäó?
Âåðíóòüñÿ ê íà÷àëó
Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå
White Owl
Øòàòíûé çàíóäà


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 10.03.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 2452
Îòêóäà: USA, New York City

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ñðåäà, Àïðåëÿ 5, 2006 1:58pm    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

À ÷òî òóò äóìàòü? Ïðûãàòü íàäî.
 ñìûñëå èäòè â êîíñóëüñòâî è ïîäàâàòü äîêóìåíòû. Åñëè âèçà P* íàèáîëåå ïîäõîäÿùàÿ ïî ñóòè ïîåçäêè - çíà÷èò íà íåå è ïîäàâàòü.
Âåðíóòüñÿ ê íà÷àëó
Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå Îòïðàâèòü e-mail MSN Messenger
Helen_NJ
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 13.11.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 1539
Îòêóäà: NC, USA

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: ×åòâåðã, Àïðåëÿ 6, 2006 12:48am    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

Âîò íàøëà òóò ðàçúÿñíåíèå ñ ñàéòà ïîñîëüñòâà ÑØÀ â Àâñòðèè:

Öèòàòà:
We are a choir who has been invited to perform in the United States. What type of visa do we require?
If you are all amateurs and you will be performing in a social and/or charitable context, you will require B-2 visas, or if eligible, may travel visa-free under the visa waiver program. However, if you will be performing to a paying audience, you require P visas. If you are professional musicians, or the group includes a mixture of profession and amateur musicians, you will require P visas.

We are musicians who are recording in the United States. What type of visa do we require?
A B-1 visa, or visa free travel is appropriate if you will utilize recording facilities for recording purposes only; the recording will be distributed and sold only outside the United States; and, there will be no public performances.


http://vienna.usembassy.gov/en/embassy/cons/niv_faq_entertain.htm#thirteen

Ñóäÿ ïî âñåìó, ïðèíöèïèàëüíàÿ ðàçíèöà â òîì, ÿâëÿåòåñü ëè âû ïðîôåññèîíàëàìè èëè ëþáèòåëÿìè è áóäóò ëè çðèòåëè ïëàòèòü çà âàøå âûñòóïëåíèå.

Íàñ÷åò êîíêðåòíîãî âèäà âèçû êîíñóë âîîáùå-òî ñàì ðåøèò - 1, 2 èëè 3.
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