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Irish_a
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
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Ðåáÿòà, à âîò åñòü ñðåäè âàñ êòî-íèòü, êòî ó÷èë-ó÷èë English(British English)...à ïîòîì ïðèåõàë â Øòàòû è îùóòèë ñèþ ðàçíèöó ìåæäó American and British?..Èëè íàîáîðîò, èìåÿ îïûò îáùåíèÿ  Øòàòàõ, ïîñåòèë îäíàæäû England?...Êàêèå îùóùåíèÿ?
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...òû, Ìîöàðò -áîã...È ñàì òîãî íå çíàåøü... |
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Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003
: 10421
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| Èëè íàîáîðîò, èìåÿ îïûò îáùåíèÿ Â Øòàòàõ, ïîñåòèë îäíàæäû England?...Êàêèå îùóùåíèÿ? |
Íà ôèëîñîôñêèå òåìû â Ëîíäîíå ÿ íå óñïåë ïîîáùàòüñÿ, íî â ìàãàçèíàõ, ìåòðî, íà óëèöå è â àýðîïîðòó ìåíÿ âïîëíå ïîíèìàëè. Åäèíñòâåííîå, ÷òî îíè îòêàçûâàëèñü ïîíèìàòü - ýòî "Subway" (ìåòðî). Ó íèõ îí íàçûâàåòñÿ "Underground" 
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Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 16.06.2005
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| Èëè íàîáîðîò, èìåÿ îïûò îáùåíèÿ Â Øòàòàõ, ïîñåòèë îäíàæäû England?...Êàêèå îùóùåíèÿ? |
Íà ôèëîñîôñêèå òåìû â Ëîíäîíå ÿ íå óñïåë ïîîáùàòüñÿ, íî â ìàãàçèíàõ, ìåòðî, íà óëèöå è â àýðîïîðòó ìåíÿ âïîëíå ïîíèìàëè. Åäèíñòâåííîå, ÷òî îíè îòêàçûâàëèñü ïîíèìàòü - ýòî "Subway" (ìåòðî). Ó íèõ îí íàçûâàåòñÿ "Underground" |
...äààà....Underground it is sounding more deliciously for my russian ears ...One my friend, who lived in USA, in some time, left for England and is living now there...so he told, English was for him as foreign language for fist time...
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Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003
: 10421
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| One my friend, who lived in USA, in some time, left for England and is living now there...so he told, English was for him as foreign language for fist time... |
Ìíå îäèí àìåðèêàíåö òîæå ñàìîå ãîâîðèë, êîòîðûé ìíîãî ïóòåøåñòâóåò è ìíîãî ãäå áûë ïîìèìî Øòàòîâ è UK.
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Slava
ÍËÎ
: 10.03.2003
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| Ðåáÿòà, à âîò åñòü ñðåäè âàñ êòî-íèòü, êòî ó÷èë-ó÷èë English(British English)...à ïîòîì ïðèåõàë â Øòàòû è îùóòèë ñèþ ðàçíèöó ìåæäó American and British?..Èëè íàîáîðîò, èìåÿ îïûò îáùåíèÿ  Øòàòàõ, ïîñåòèë îäíàæäû England?...Êàêèå îùóùåíèÿ? |
ß è òóò óñïåë ñî ìíîãèìè áðàòàíöàìè ïîîáùàòüñÿ. Èíîãäà âîîáùå íèõðåíà íå ïîíÿòíî èç-çà:
- áðèòàíñêîãî ïðîèçíîøåíèÿ. ïîñëå àìåðèêàíñêîãî âîîáùå òðóáà ïîëíàÿ
- ñàìè ñëîâà. ÷àñòî èñïîëüçóþ êàêèå-òî íàâîðî÷åííûå è çàóìíûå. Ïî òèïà åñëè ïîïðîáîâàòü ðàçãîâàðèâàòü ñ àäâîêàòîì íå çíàÿ àäâîêàòñêîé ëåêñèêè.
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Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003
: 10421
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| - ñàìè ñëîâà. ÷àñòî èñïîëüçóþ êàêèå-òî íàâîðî÷åííûå è çàóìíûå. |
Ýòî òèïà êàê îãóðåö â Øòàòàõ çîâóò Cuke, à â Àíãëèè Cucumber?
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Slava
ÍËÎ
: 10.03.2003
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| - ñàìè ñëîâà. ÷àñòî èñïîëüçóþ êàêèå-òî íàâîðî÷åííûå è çàóìíûå. |
Ýòî òèïà êàê îãóðåö â Øòàòàõ çîâóò Cuke, à â Àíãëèè Cucumber? |
Íå. ß êñòàòè òóò íè ðàçó íå ñëûøàë cuke.
Íó âîò íàïðèìåð îò îäíîãî êëèåíòà â ïèñüìå áûëî òàêîå ïðåäëîæåíèå
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| As mentioned, there were some omissions from the data on 10th June, because we didn’t include all payment data for accounts that were no longer part of the sale |
Ýòî ïåðâûé ðàç ãäå ÿ ñëûøó ñëîâà omissions. Çäåñü áîëüøå èäåò íàïðèìåð ïðîñòîå mistake èëè íåìíîãî áîëåå íàâîðî÷åííîå dicrupencies.
Ìîãó åùå êó÷ó ïðèìåðîâ ïðèâåñòè
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White Owl
Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003
: 2452
: USA, New York City
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Íó âîò íàïðèìåð îò îäíîãî êëèåíòà â ïèñüìå áûëî òàêîå ïðåäëîæåíèå
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| As mentioned, there were some omissions from the data on 10th June, because we didn’t include all payment data for accounts that were no longer part of the sale |
Ýòî ïåðâûé ðàç ãäå ÿ ñëûøó ñëîâà omissions. Çäåñü áîëüøå èäåò íàïðèìåð ïðîñòîå mistake èëè íåìíîãî áîëåå íàâîðî÷åííîå dicrupencies.
Ìîãó åùå êó÷ó ïðèìåðîâ ïðèâåñòè |
Íå, ýòî òû ïîãîðÿ÷èëñÿ ommissions - ïðîïóñêè. "êàê óæå óïîìèíàëîñü íà äàòó 10-ãî èþíÿ áûëî íåñêîëüêî ïðîïóñêîâ". Íå ïðîñòî àáñòðàêòíûå îøèáêè (mistakes) è íå íåñîîòâåñòâèÿ (discrepancy), à âïîëíå êîíêðåòíûå ïðîïóñêè (âèäèìî â êàêîì-òî ñïèñêå).
Cuke - ýòî íàâåðíîå ëîêàëüíûé æàðãîí ôåðìåðîâ Ìýéíà ß òîæå ïåðâûé ðàç òàêîå ñëûøó. |
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ÍËÎ
: 10.03.2003
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Íó âîò íàïðèìåð îò îäíîãî êëèåíòà â ïèñüìå áûëî òàêîå ïðåäëîæåíèå
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| As mentioned, there were some omissions from the data on 10th June, because we didn’t include all payment data for accounts that were no longer part of the sale |
Ýòî ïåðâûé ðàç ãäå ÿ ñëûøó ñëîâà omissions. Çäåñü áîëüøå èäåò íàïðèìåð ïðîñòîå mistake èëè íåìíîãî áîëåå íàâîðî÷åííîå dicrupencies.
Ìîãó åùå êó÷ó ïðèìåðîâ ïðèâåñòè |
Íå, ýòî òû ïîãîðÿ÷èëñÿ ommissions - ïðîïóñêè. "êàê óæå óïîìèíàëîñü íà äàòó 10-ãî èþíÿ áûëî íåñêîëüêî ïðîïóñêîâ". Íå ïðîñòî àáñòðàêòíûå îøèáêè (mistakes) è íå íåñîîòâåñòâèÿ (discrepancy), à âïîëíå êîíêðåòíûå ïðîïóñêè (âèäèìî â êàêîì-òî ñïèñêå). |
Íó ìîæåò è ïîãîðÿ÷èëñÿ. Íî âñå ðàâíî ðàíüøå íå ñëûøàë.
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Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003
: 10421
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| Cuke - ýòî íàâåðíîå ëîêàëüíûé æàðãîí ôåðìåðîâ Ìýéíà ß òîæå ïåðâûé ðàç òàêîå ñëûøó. |
Ñåðüåçíî? Âèäèìî, äåéñòâèòåëüíî, ýòî ïîíÿòíûé Ìåíîâöàì ÿçûê ß êàê-òî äàæå îáùàëñÿ ñ îäíèì îá ýòîì, è îí ìíå ïðîñòî îáúÿñíèë, ÷òî ìû, àìåðèêàíöû, âñå ëþáèì ñîêðàùàòü. ß ïîýòîìó è ïîäóìàë, ÷òî òàê âåçäå
Âîò, êñòàòè, ôîòîãðàôèÿ ðåêëàìíîãî ùèòà, ðàñïîëàãàþùåãîñÿ îêîëî îâîùíîé ïàëàòêè: http://gerasimov.org/photoalbum/farm2/42/ Òàì êàê ðàç âèäíî ñëîâî “Cuke”.
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White Owl
Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003
: 2452
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| Ïðîñòî â ôåðìåðñêîé ñðåäå ðàçãîâîð îá îãóðöàõ ïðîèñõîäèò ÷àùå ÷åì â êàêîé-ëèáî äðóãîé. Òàêîå ÷àñòî áûâàåò â ïðîôåññèîíàëüíîé ñðåäå - ÷àñòî èñïîëüçóåìûå ñëîâà òðàíñôîðìèðóþòñÿ, ñîêðàùàþòñÿ. Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ ïðîôåññèîíàëüíûé æàðãîí. Ïðè÷åì â èòîãå ÷åëîâåê íàñòîëüêî ïðèâûêàåò ê ýòîìó æàðãîíó, ÷òî çàáûâàåò ëèòåðàòóðíûé âàðèàíò ñëîâà è óäèâëÿåòñÿ ÷òî åãî íå ïîíèìàþò |
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Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003
: 10421
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| Ïðîñòî â ôåðìåðñêîé ñðåäå ðàçãîâîð îá îãóðöàõ ïðîèñõîäèò ÷àùå ÷åì â êàêîé-ëèáî äðóãîé. Òàêîå ÷àñòî áûâàåò â ïðîôåññèîíàëüíîé ñðåäå - ÷àñòî èñïîëüçóåìûå ñëîâà òðàíñôîðìèðóþòñÿ, ñîêðàùàþòñÿ. Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ ïðîôåññèîíàëüíûé æàðãîí. Ïðè÷åì â èòîãå ÷åëîâåê íàñòîëüêî ïðèâûêàåò ê ýòîìó æàðãîíó, ÷òî çàáûâàåò ëèòåðàòóðíûé âàðèàíò ñëîâà è óäèâëÿåòñÿ ÷òî åãî íå ïîíèìàþò |
Ìíîãèå êëèåíòû ïðè ïîêóïêå îãóðöîâ ãîâîðèëè èìåííî ñîêðàùåííûé âàðèàíò. Âèäèìî îò òîãî, ÷òî ýòî ôåðìåðñêèé øòàò.
Êñòàòè, êòî åùå êàêèå ñîêðàùåíèÿ çíàåò? Ñàìîìó ÷òî-òî íà óì íè÷åãî ïîêà íå ïðèõîäèò 
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Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
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