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losharik
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Çäðàâñòâóéòå. Ïëàíèðóþ óåõàòü ïî òóð.âèçå, çàêîí÷èòü êóðñû track-driver'îâ è ïîïûòàòüñÿ óñòðîèòüñÿ â ðóññêóþ êîìïàíèþ äàëüíîáîéùèêîì.
Âîïðîñ: áóäóò ëè ïîëèöèåéñêèå íà äîðîãàõ ïðè ïðîâåðêàõ äîêóìåíòîâ íà ãðóç èíòåðåñîâàòüñÿ ìîèì ñòàòóñîì (íàëè÷èåì SSN, íàïðèìåð)? åñëè äà, òî êàêîâà íà ñåãîäíÿ âåðîÿòíîñòü êóïèòü SSN â Àìåðèêå? Ñëîæíî ëè íàéòè òàêèå êîíòîðû? Ñïàñèáî. Êîíñòàíòèí. |
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White Owl
Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003
: 2452
: USA, New York City
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| Åñëè âû ïðèåäåòå íåëåãàëîì è ñóìååòå ïðîæèòü çäåñü íåëåãàëîì òîëè ñåìü, òîëè äåâÿòü ëåò, è åñëè çàêîíîäàòåëüñòâî ê òîìó âðåìåíè íå èçìåíèòñÿ - òî âû ïîëó÷èòå âïîëíå ëåãàëüíóþ è íîðìàëüíóþ SSN, ïîñëå ïîëó÷åíèÿ êîòîðîé âû ñìîæåòå ïîäàòü çàÿâêó íà driver license. È òîëüêî ïîñëå ýòîãî ñìîæåòå äóìàòü î êàðüåðå äàëüíîáîéùèêà. |
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Debaser
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 28.03.2003
: 941
: Cleveland, OH
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Âðÿä ëè Âàì äàäóò CDL áåç SSN è âîîáùå êàêèõ ëèáî àìåðèêàíñêèõ äîêóìåíòîâ. Áóäåòå ïðàâà ïîêóïàòü - ñÿäåòå â òþðüìó ïðè ïåðâîé æå îñòàíîâêå ïîëèöèåé
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Helen_NJ
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003
: 1539
: NC, USA
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| Åñëè âû ïðèåäåòå íåëåãàëîì è ñóìååòå ïðîæèòü çäåñü íåëåãàëîì òîëè ñåìü, òîëè äåâÿòü ëåò, è åñëè çàêîíîäàòåëüñòâî ê òîìó âðåìåíè íå èçìåíèòñÿ - òî âû ïîëó÷èòå âïîëíå ëåãàëüíóþ è íîðìàëüíóþ SSN. |
À íåëüçÿ ëè ññûëî÷êó íà èñòî÷íèê? ×òî-òî ÿ íè ïðî êàêèå çàêîíû ïîëó÷åíèÿ ëåãàëüíîãî ñòàòóñà "àâòîìàòîì" ÷åðåç N ëåò íå ñëûøàëà... Àìíèñòèè äëÿ íåëåãàëîâ ïðîâîäèëèñü - äà, íî ýòî âñå ðàçîâûå ìåðîïðèÿòèÿ. Ïîñëåäíÿÿ àìíèñòèÿ áûëà ýýý... íå çíàþ òî÷íî êîãäà, íî äîêóìåíòû íóæíî áûëî ïîäàâàòü äî àïðåëÿ 2001 ãîäà. (×òî, êñòàòè ãîâîðÿ, î÷åíü áîëüíî â ðåçóëüòàòå óäàðèëî ïî ëåãàëüíîé èììèãðàöèè ÷åðåç òðóäîóñòðîéñòâî.)
Ó÷èòûâàÿ òåêóùèå íàñòðîåíèÿ â îáùåñòâå, äóìàþ ñëåäóþùàÿ àìíèñòèÿ, åñëè è áóäåò âîîáùå, òî î÷åíü íåñêîðî. Êðîìå òîãî, ïîä íåå ïîïàäàþò íå òàê ÷òîáû ïðÿìî âñå íåëåãàëû, à òîæå åñòü îïðåäåëåííûå óñëîâèÿ è ò.ä. |
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Helen_NJ
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003
: 1539
: NC, USA
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Çäðàâñòâóéòå. Ïëàíèðóþ óåõàòü ïî òóð.âèçå, çàêîí÷èòü êóðñû track-driver'îâ è ïîïûòàòüñÿ óñòðîèòüñÿ â ðóññêóþ êîìïàíèþ äàëüíîáîéùèêîì.
Âîïðîñ: áóäóò ëè ïîëèöèåéñêèå íà äîðîãàõ ïðè ïðîâåðêàõ äîêóìåíòîâ íà ãðóç èíòåðåñîâàòüñÿ ìîèì ñòàòóñîì (íàëè÷èåì SSN, íàïðèìåð)? |
Âîîáùå-òî ïðàâèëüíî truck, íî ýòî óæå äåòàëè. Åñëè îòâå÷àòü ÷èñòî íà âîïðîñ, òî ïîëèöåéñêèå, ïàòðóëèðóþùèå äîðîãè, èíòåðåñóþòñÿ òîëüêî âàøèìè ïðàâàìè è íàëè÷èåì äîêóìåíòîâ íà ãðóç è ìàøèíó. Ïðîâåðêà èììèãðàöèîííîãî ñòàòóñà è òåì áîëåå SSN íå âõîäèò â èõ êîìïåòåíöèþ.
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| åñëè äà, òî êàêîâà íà ñåãîäíÿ âåðîÿòíîñòü êóïèòü SSN â Àìåðèêå? Ñëîæíî ëè íàéòè òàêèå êîíòîðû? |
Äà òàêèõ êîíòîð ïîëíûì ïîëíî - ïîñìîòðèòå â ëþáîì òåëåôîííîì ñïðàâî÷íèêå!  Åñëè ñåðüåçíî, òî íå äóìàþ, ÷òî êòî-òî íà ôîðóìå òåñíî ñâÿçàí ñ êðèìèíàëüíûì ìèðîì è çíàåò, ãäå íàéòè òàêèå "êîíòîðû". Ìíå ïîêà íà ãëàçà íè îäíîé íå ïîïàäàëîñü. Ïðÿ÷óòñÿ íàâåðíîå.  Êñòàòè, åñëè óæ íà òî ïîøëî, äëÿ ïîëó÷åíèÿ ïðàâ íóæåí íå òîëüêî SSN, íî è äîêàçàòåëüñòâî âàøåãî ñòàòóñà (ïðèáûâøèå ïî òóðâèçå íå èìåþò ïðàâà íà ïîëó÷åíèå driver's license â ÑØÀ), à â íåêîòîðûõ øòàòàõ åùå è äîêàçàòåëüñòâî òîãî, ÷òî âû æèâåòå â ýòîì øòàòå. Êðîìå òîãî, äëÿ CDL (commercial driver's license) åùå íóæíî, ïî-ìîåìó, êàê ìèíèìóì êàêîé-òî îïûò âîæäåíèÿ èìåòü - òóò â êàæäîì øòàòå, âïðî÷åì, ñâîè çàêîíû. |
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Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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À òî, ÷òî Áóø ïàðó ëåò íàçàä ãîâîðèë îá àìíèñòèè – ýòî âñå òàê è ñïóñòèëè íà òîðìîçàõ? ×òî-òî íè÷åãî îá ýòîì áîëüøå íå ñëûøíî...
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Helen_NJ
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003
: 1539
: NC, USA
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| À òî, ÷òî Áóø ïàðó ëåò íàçàä ãîâîðèë îá àìíèñòèè – ýòî âñå òàê è ñïóñòèëè íà òîðìîçàõ? ×òî-òî íè÷åãî îá ýòîì áîëüøå íå ñëûøíî... |
"Ãîâîðèòü ãîâîðèë, íî íå îáåùàë". Íó íàäî æå áûëî åìó êàê-òî ãîëîñà èñïàíîÿçû÷íîãî íàñåëåíèÿ çàïîëó÷èòü! Äà è Áóø îäèí-òî íè÷åãî íå ðåøàåò, òóò åùå Êîíãðåññ åñòü... |
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Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| "Ãîâîðèòü ãîâîðèë, íî íå îáåùàë". |
 Ïîíÿòíî.
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Àðòåì
Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003
: 8295
: Russia, Ufa
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| À òî, ÷òî Áóø ïàðó ëåò íàçàä ãîâîðèë îá àìíèñòèè – ýòî âñå òàê è ñïóñòèëè íà òîðìîçàõ? ×òî-òî íè÷åãî îá ýòîì áîëüøå íå ñëûøíî... |
"Ãîâîðèòü ãîâîðèë, íî íå îáåùàë". Íó íàäî æå áûëî åìó êàê-òî ãîëîñà èñïàíîÿçû÷íîãî íàñåëåíèÿ çàïîëó÷èòü! Äà è Áóø îäèí-òî íè÷åãî íå ðåøàåò, òóò åùå Êîíãðåññ åñòü... |
Ýòî õîðîøî, ÷òî Êîíãðåññ åñòü. |
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Vecar
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 14.11.2004
: 315
: Çåëåíîãðàä
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| Ýòî õîðîøî, ÷òî Êîíãðåññ åñòü. |
Êàê ïðî÷èòàë, ñðàçó âîò ýòî âñïîìíèë:
Can you imagine working for a company that has a little more than 500 employees and has the following statistics:
*29 have been accused of spousal abuse
*7 have been arrested for fraud
*19 have been accused of writing bad checks
*117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least two businesses
*3 have done time for assault
*71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
*14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
*8 have been arrested for shoplifting
*21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
*84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year
Can you guess which organization this is? Give up yet?
It’s the 535 members of the United States Congress.
http://www.strangepolitics.com/content/item/23891.html
ÇÛ Ïðî íàøèõ êðàñàâöåâ ÿ âîîáùå ìîë÷ó (â äðóãîì òîïèêå)
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-Whatever happened to 'please' and 'thank you'?
-I think they've killed each other. You know, one of those murder-suicide deals |
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White Owl
Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003
: 2452
: USA, New York City
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| Åñëè âû ïðèåäåòå íåëåãàëîì è ñóìååòå ïðîæèòü çäåñü íåëåãàëîì òîëè ñåìü, òîëè äåâÿòü ëåò, è åñëè çàêîíîäàòåëüñòâî ê òîìó âðåìåíè íå èçìåíèòñÿ - òî âû ïîëó÷èòå âïîëíå ëåãàëüíóþ è íîðìàëüíóþ SSN. |
À íåëüçÿ ëè ññûëî÷êó íà èñòî÷íèê? ×òî-òî ÿ íè ïðî êàêèå çàêîíû ïîëó÷åíèÿ ëåãàëüíîãî ñòàòóñà "àâòîìàòîì" ÷åðåç N ëåò íå ñëûøàëà... |
ß ãäå-òî, êîãäà-òî ãîâîðèë ïðî "àâòîìàò"? Ëåãàëèçàöèÿ âñå ðàâíî áóäåò î÷åíü äîëãèì è ìó÷èòåëüíûì ïðîöåññîì. Ïðîñòî åñëè òû ñìîæåøü äîêàçàòü ÷òî æèâÿ äåñÿòü ëåò â ñòðàíå òû íå íàðóøàë çàêîí è ïëàòèë íàëîãè - òåáÿ íå ïîñàäÿò â òþðüìó è íå âûøâûðíóò èç ñòðàíû ñðàçó êàê îáíàðóæàò òâîå ñóùåñòâîâàíèå Òåáå äàäóò âîçìîæíîñòü çàíèìàòüñÿ ñáîðîì äîêóìåíòîâ è äîêàçàòåëüñòâ òâîåé ïîëåçíîñòè äëÿ ñòðàíû íå âûåçæàÿ çà åå ïðåäåëû. À åñëè íà÷àòü ïðîöåññ ëåãàëèçàöèè ñðàçó ïî ïðèåçäó íåëåãàëîì - INS ïîñàäèò òåáÿ íà ïåðâûé æå ñàìîëåò â ñòðàíó îòêóäà ïðèåõàë. |
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Helen_NJ
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003
: 1539
: NC, USA
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| Åñëè âû ïðèåäåòå íåëåãàëîì è ñóìååòå ïðîæèòü çäåñü íåëåãàëîì òîëè ñåìü, òîëè äåâÿòü ëåò, è åñëè çàêîíîäàòåëüñòâî ê òîìó âðåìåíè íå èçìåíèòñÿ - òî âû ïîëó÷èòå âïîëíå ëåãàëüíóþ è íîðìàëüíóþ SSN. |
À íåëüçÿ ëè ññûëî÷êó íà èñòî÷íèê? ×òî-òî ÿ íè ïðî êàêèå çàêîíû ïîëó÷åíèÿ ëåãàëüíîãî ñòàòóñà "àâòîìàòîì" ÷åðåç N ëåò íå ñëûøàëà... |
ß ãäå-òî, êîãäà-òî ãîâîðèë ïðî "àâòîìàò"? |
Ãîâîðèëè. Ñì. öèòàòó âûøå. Êðîìå "ïðèåäåòå" è "ñóìååòå ïðîæèòü" íèêàêèõ äðóãèõ óñëîâèé çàäàíî íå áûëî.
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| Ëåãàëèçàöèÿ âñå ðàâíî áóäåò î÷åíü äîëãèì è ìó÷èòåëüíûì ïðîöåññîì. Ïðîñòî åñëè òû ñìîæåøü äîêàçàòü ÷òî æèâÿ äåñÿòü ëåò â ñòðàíå òû íå íàðóøàë çàêîí è ïëàòèë íàëîãè - òåáÿ íå ïîñàäÿò â òþðüìó è íå âûøâûðíóò èç ñòðàíû ñðàçó êàê îáíàðóæàò òâîå ñóùåñòâîâàíèå |
Íó, ýòî óæå áëèæå ê òåìå. Ïðàâäà îïÿòü æå âñå áóäåò íà óñìîòðåíèå èììèãðàöèîííîãî ñóäüè (èëè êàê òàì îíè ïðàâèëüíî íàçûâàþòñÿ), òàê ÷òî êàê ïîâåçåò - è ÷åðåç 10 ëåò ìîãóò âûñëàòü òîëüêî òàê. Íåòó òàêîãî çàêîíà, ÷òî N ëåò ïðîæèë è â äàìêàõ. |
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White Owl
Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003
: 2452
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| ß ãäå-òî, êîãäà-òî ãîâîðèë ïðî "àâòîìàò"? |
Ãîâîðèëè. Ñì. öèòàòó âûøå. Êðîìå "ïðèåäåòå" è "ñóìååòå ïðîæèòü" íèêàêèõ äðóãèõ óñëîâèé çàäàíî íå áûëî. |
Íóóó..... â îáùåì ÿ íå ñîâñåì òî èìåë â âèäó ÷òî ñêàçàë
PS. À ìû íà "âû" ðàçâå?  |
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Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| PS. À ìû íà "âû" ðàçâå? |
Íà "òû" èëè íà "âû"? Ñòàðååøü, îäíàêî 
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Masha
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 18.01.2004
: 464
: Izhevsk, Russia
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| À â ÷åì ñóòü àìíèñòèè, î êîòîðîé ïèñàëîñü âûøå? Êàêèå-äîêóìåíòû íóæíû äëÿ ýòîãî? |
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Helen_NJ
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003
: 1539
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| À â ÷åì ñóòü àìíèñòèè, î êîòîðîé ïèñàëîñü âûøå? Êàêèå-äîêóìåíòû íóæíû äëÿ ýòîãî? |
Âîîáùå-òî òåõíè÷åñêè ýòî áûëà íå àìíèñòèÿ, íî åå ÷àñòî òàê íàçûâàþò íåôîðìàëüíî. Òîëüêî âû îïîçäàëè íåìíîæå÷êî - ïðèåì çàÿâîê ïðåêðàùåí â àïðåëå 2001-ãî.
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The "LIFE" Act Allows Use of Section 245i of the Immigration Act if papers were submitted by April 30, 2001. Originally Section 245i allowed people with an Immigration petition or a Labor Certificates filed on or before January 14, 1998 to apply for a green card in the US even if they entered the US illegally or were out-of-status in the US. The LIFE Act extended the qualifying filing date from January 14, 1998 to April 30, 2001. This allows the beneficiary of a Labor Certificate or BCIS petition filed on or before April 30, 2001 to apply for Adjustment of Status if they are eligible and have an approved BCIS petition. They can apply even if out-of-status. Caution: anyone who is the beneficiary of a Labor Certificate or petition filed after January 14, 1998 must also prove that they they were physically present in the US on 21 December 2000, the date of enactment of the LIFE law.
Some people are confused by Section 245i of the Immigration Act. This section applies to people who are in the US and who are out of status (stayed too long, worked without permission, etc.); or who entered the US illegally. These people not usually permittted to apply for a green card in the US (some exceptions for the spouse of a US citizen) but if a person meets the requirements of Section 245i, the person can apply for the green card in the US by paying a larger filing fee.
Important: to use Section 245i the applicant must have an approved immigrant petition from an employer or a qualified family member. Section 245i is NOT an amnesty, it does not create a new way to get a green card. It allows some people to apply for Adjustment of Status in the USA if
1. they have an approved and current immigrant petition and 2. if that petition was filed (submitted ) by 30 April 2001 or 3. if a different petition or a Labor Certificate application was submitted for the person by 30 April 2001.
This is confusing so let's look at an example. John Stamos came to the USA illegally. He is now married to a US citizen. Since John entered illegally, he cannot apply for an Adjustment of Status unless he is qualified under Section 245i. Is John qualified to use 245i? If the petition from his new wife is the only petition ever filed for John, John cannot use Section 245i since the petition is being filed after 30 April 2001.
Let's change the facts and say that an employer submitted a Labor Certificate application for John, or John's brother or a parent submitted an immigration petition for John, and the Labor Cetificate application or the old petition was filed for John on or before 30 April 2001. Even if that old petition is still on the waiting list, or even if the employer is now out of business, John can still use Section 245i because the Labor Certificate application or the old petition was submitted for John by 30 April 2001.
If such a paper was submitted for John by the 30 April 2001 date, then John can use Section 245i to apply for Adjustment of Status even though he entered illegally and even if the petioner now is not the one that submitted the old petition before 30 April 2001. So the new petition by John's wife will allow John to Adjust Status here since he is covered by Section 245i because of the old petition or the old Labor Certificate application. |
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| Ó÷èòûâàÿ òåêóùèå íàñòðîåíèÿ â îáùåñòâå, äóìàþ ñëåäóþùàÿ àìíèñòèÿ, åñëè è áóäåò âîîáùå, òî î÷åíü íåñêîðî. Êðîìå òîãî, ïîä íåå ïîïàäàþò íå òàê ÷òîáû ïðÿìî âñå íåëåãàëû, à òîæå åñòü îïðåäåëåííûå óñëîâèÿ è ò.ä. |
Èçâèíÿþñü, íåìíîãî çàïîçäàëà ñ âîïðîñîì , íî ÷òî çà "íàñòðîåíèÿ". Ïðîñòî ÿ çíàþ ëþäåé, êîòîðûå íàäåþòñÿ íà ýòó àìíèñòèþ, òî÷íåå íà åå ñêîðîå ïîÿâëåíèå. |
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Èçâèíÿþñü, íåìíîãî çàïîçäàëà ñ âîïðîñîì , íî ÷òî çà "íàñòðîåíèÿ". Ïðîñòî ÿ çíàþ ëþäåé, êîòîðûå íàäåþòñÿ íà ýòó àìíèñòèþ, òî÷íåå íà åå ñêîðîå ïîÿâëåíèå. |
Íàñòðîåíèÿ òóò íè ïðè ÷åì, IMHO. Ïðîñòî òóò ëåãàëüíûì èìèãðàíòàì íå óñïåâàþò GC äàâàòü, î÷åðåäü íà ãîäû óæå, íà ôèãà åùå íåëåãàëîâ ëåãàëèçîâûâàòü? Âîò ïðîéäåò çàêîí î RealID, è ïðèäåòñÿ âñåì íåëåãàëàì âîçâðàùàòüñÿ äîìîé òàê èëè èíà÷å.
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| Íàñòðîåíèÿ òóò íè ïðè ÷åì, IMHO. Ïðîñòî òóò ëåãàëüíûì èìèãðàíòàì íå óñïåâàþò GC äàâàòü, î÷åðåäü íà ãîäû óæå, íà ôèãà åùå íåëåãàëîâ ëåãàëèçîâûâàòü? Âîò ïðîéäåò çàêîí î RealID, è ïðèäåòñÿ âñåì íåëåãàëàì âîçâðàùàòüñÿ äîìîé òàê èëè èíà÷å. |
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