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anuta
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 02.11.2005
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 237
Îòêóäà: Irkutsk-Daytona Beach-Philadelphia

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Âòîðíèê, Íîÿáðÿ 15, 2005 11:25pm    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

À âîò ÷òî ìíå ñåãîäíÿ ñòóäåíò íàïèñàë. (çàäàíèå áûëî íàïèñàòü research paper on World War I). "They (German soldiers) had to survive bombings by ranning around and trying to find a safe place to hide from enemy. They had to jump through trenches without getting hurt and they had to deal with French by throwing grenades and firing at them. Most of the soldiers just wanted to get back to a safe place just to get some corned beef and butter"..... Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà
Âåðíóòüñÿ ê íà÷àëó
Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå
Slava
�ËÎ


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 10.03.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 4182
Îòêóäà: at this moment Stamford CT

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ñðåäà, Íîÿáðÿ 16, 2005 1:39am    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

anuta ïèñàë(à):
À âîò ÷òî ìíå ñåãîäíÿ ñòóäåíò íàïèñàë. (çàäàíèå áûëî íàïèñàòü research paper on World War I). "They (German soldiers) had to survive bombings by ranning around and trying to find a safe place to hide from enemy. They had to jump through trenches without getting hurt and they had to deal with French by throwing grenades and firing at them. Most of the soldiers just wanted to get back to a safe place just to get some corned beef and butter"..... Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà

Ìäà.... ñèëüíî Ñìåõ
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Expirience comes from bad judgment
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FFresh
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 13.11.2004
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 470
Îòêóäà: Moscow

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ñðåäà, Íîÿáðÿ 16, 2005 10:59pm    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

anuta ïèñàë(à):
À âîò ÷òî ìíå ñåãîäíÿ ñòóäåíò íàïèñàë. (çàäàíèå áûëî íàïèñàòü research paper on World War I). "They (German soldiers) had to survive bombings by ranning around and trying to find a safe place to hide from enemy. They had to jump through trenches without getting hurt and they had to deal with French by throwing grenades and firing at them. Most of the soldiers just wanted to get back to a safe place just to get some corned beef and butter"..... Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà


×òî-÷òî. À ó íèõ íà óìó òîëüêî åäà Ñìåõ
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You never know what the future will bring you.
Âåðíóòüñÿ ê íà÷àëó
Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå
White Owl
Øòàòíûé çàíóäà


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 10.03.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 2452
Îòêóäà: USA, New York City

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: ×åòâåðã, Íîÿáðÿ 17, 2005 3:18pm    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

anuta ïèñàë(à):
À âîò ÷òî ìíå ñåãîäíÿ ñòóäåíò íàïèñàë. (çàäàíèå áûëî íàïèñàòü research paper on World War I). "They (German soldiers) had to survive bombings by ranning around and trying to find a safe place to hide from enemy. They had to jump through trenches without getting hurt and they had to deal with French by throwing grenades and firing at them. Most of the soldiers just wanted to get back to a safe place just to get some corned beef and butter"..... Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà

Ãîëîäíûé ñòóäåíò - ñòðàøíûé çâåðü Óëûáêà
Âåðíóòüñÿ ê íà÷àëó
Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå Îòïðàâèòü e-mail MSN Messenger
Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 01.03.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 10421
Îòêóäà: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: ×åòâåðã, Íîÿáðÿ 17, 2005 3:35pm    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

White Owl ïèñàë(à):
Ãîëîäíûé ñòóäåíò - ñòðàøíûé çâåðü Óëûáêà

Ñìåõ Êëàññíî!
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Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ
Âåðíóòüñÿ ê íà÷àëó
Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå Ïîñåòèòü ñàéò àâòîðà
FFresh
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 13.11.2004
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 470
Îòêóäà: Moscow

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: ×åòâåðã, Íîÿáðÿ 17, 2005 7:29pm    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

White Owl ïèñàë(à):
anuta ïèñàë(à):
À âîò ÷òî ìíå ñåãîäíÿ ñòóäåíò íàïèñàë. (çàäàíèå áûëî íàïèñàòü research paper on World War I). "They (German soldiers) had to survive bombings by ranning around and trying to find a safe place to hide from enemy. They had to jump through trenches without getting hurt and they had to deal with French by throwing grenades and firing at them. Most of the soldiers just wanted to get back to a safe place just to get some corned beef and butter"..... Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà

Ãîëîäíûé ñòóäåíò - ñòðàøíûé çâåðü Óëûáêà

Äà ñëîíà çà ðàç ãîòîâ ñúåñòü, êàê ïîìîòàåøüñÿ, äà ïîñèäèøü íà íóäíûõ ëåêöèÿõ Ñìåõ
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You never know what the future will bring you.
Âåðíóòüñÿ ê íà÷àëó
Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå
Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 01.03.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 10421
Îòêóäà: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ïÿòíèöà, Íîÿáðÿ 18, 2005 12:05am    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

ß òàê ðàä, ÷òî áîëüøå íå ñòóäåíò è íå íóæíî ïîñåùàòü ìíîãèå íóäíûå ëåêöèè è ïîñëå ýòîãî èäòè ñäàâàòü áåññìûñëåííûå ýêçàìåíû... Ìíîãèå ñåé÷àñ íà÷èíàþò àêòèâèçèðîâàòüñÿ ïåðåä ñåññèåé è òàê êëàññíî, ÷òî ìîæíî çàíèìàòüñÿ ëþáèìûì äåëîì âìåñòî ýòîãî Êëàññíî

Ëèáî ÿ íå òàì ó÷èëñÿ (òàì íå ó÷èëñÿ �îäêàëûâàþ), ëèáî ìíå ó÷èòüñÿ â èíñòèòóòå ñ ýòîé ñîâêîâîé ñèñòåìîé íå íðàâèòñÿ.
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Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ
Âåðíóòüñÿ ê íà÷àëó
Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå Ïîñåòèòü ñàéò àâòîðà
anuta
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 02.11.2005
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 237
Îòêóäà: Irkutsk-Daytona Beach-Philadelphia

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ïÿòíèöà, Íîÿáðÿ 18, 2005 2:03am    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

White Owl ïèñàë(à):
anuta ïèñàë(à):
À âîò ÷òî ìíå ñåãîäíÿ ñòóäåíò íàïèñàë. (çàäàíèå áûëî íàïèñàòü research paper on World War I). "They (German soldiers) had to survive bombings by ranning around and trying to find a safe place to hide from enemy. They had to jump through trenches without getting hurt and they had to deal with French by throwing grenades and firing at them. Most of the soldiers just wanted to get back to a safe place just to get some corned beef and butter"..... Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà

Ãîëîäíûé ñòóäåíò - ñòðàøíûé çâåðü Óëûáêà


�ó, ñòóäåíòû çäåñü íå î÷åíü-òî ãîëîäàþò, êàê íè ïîñìîòðèøü, îíè ïîñòîÿííî ÷åãî-òî æóþò. �ó è êîíå÷íî, êàôåòåðèé ó íàñ íåïëîõîé, ìîæíî äåøåâî è äîâîëüíî íåïëîõî ïîåñòü. Âîò ÿ ïîìíþ ó íàñ â ÈÃÓ â ñåðåäèíå 90-õ ãã. ñòîëîâêà áûëà - æóòü, îäíî âðåìÿ òàì íàì ïîçû ïðîäàâàëè, ïðè÷åì ñêîëüêî ÿ íå ñòàðàëàñü, ìÿñà â íèõ òàê è íå íàøëà. Óëûáêà
Âåðíóòüñÿ ê íà÷àëó
Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå
anuta
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 02.11.2005
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 237
Îòêóäà: Irkutsk-Daytona Beach-Philadelphia

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ïÿòíèöà, Íîÿáðÿ 18, 2005 2:14am    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

Andrew ïèñàë(à):
ß òàê ðàä, ÷òî áîëüøå íå ñòóäåíò è íå íóæíî ïîñåùàòü ìíîãèå íóäíûå ëåêöèè è ïîñëå ýòîãî èäòè ñäàâàòü áåññìûñëåííûå ýêçàìåíû... Ìíîãèå ñåé÷àñ íà÷èíàþò àêòèâèçèðîâàòüñÿ ïåðåä ñåññèåé è òàê êëàññíî, ÷òî ìîæíî çàíèìàòüñÿ ëþáèìûì äåëîì âìåñòî ýòîãî Êëàññíî

Ëèáî ÿ íå òàì ó÷èëñÿ (òàì íå ó÷èëñÿ �îäêàëûâàþ), ëèáî ìíå ó÷èòüñÿ â èíñòèòóòå ñ ýòîé ñîâêîâîé ñèñòåìîé íå íðàâèòñÿ.


×åðò âîçüìè, à ìíå æóòêî íðàâèëîñü ó÷èòüñÿ, îñîáåííî ðàáîòàòü íà ñåìèíàðñêèõ çàíÿòèÿõ, òàì ñ äîêëàäàìè âûñòóïàòü è ïðî÷åå òàêîå. ß áû òàê âñþ æèçíü è ó÷èëàñü, äà íàäî æå êîãäà-òî íà÷èíàòü ðàáîòàòü... Ñåé÷àñ âîò âðîäå è ðàáîòàþ, à âñå ðàâíî èíîãäà ÷óâñòâóþ ñåáÿ ñòóäåíòîì. �ëþñ êî âñåìó, è âèä ó ìåíÿ êàêîé-òî íåïðîôåññîðñêèé, ìåíÿ âåçäå òóò çà ñòóäåíòà ïðèíèìàþò. Â÷åðà âîò ñîáèðàëàñü âîñïîëüçîâàòüñÿ ñêàí-òðîíîì (òåñòû ïðîâåðèòü íà ìàøèíå), à íà ìåíÿ íàêðè÷àëè, "÷åãî ýòî, ìîë âàø ïðîôåññîð ñòóäåíòîâ îòïðàâëÿåò, ïóñòü ñàì ïðèõîäèò è ïðîâåðÿåò ðàáîòû". �ðèøëîñü ëåçòü â ñóìêó çà óäîñòîâåðåíèåì è äîêàçûâàòü. ÷òî ÿ "new faculty member". Óëûáêà
Âåðíóòüñÿ ê íà÷àëó
Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå
Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 01.03.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 10421
Îòêóäà: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ïÿòíèöà, Íîÿáðÿ 18, 2005 2:57am    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

anuta ïèñàë(à):
Âîò ÿ ïîìíþ ó íàñ â ÈÃÓ â ñåðåäèíå 90-õ ãã. ñòîëîâêà áûëà - æóòü, îäíî âðåìÿ òàì íàì ïîçû ïðîäàâàëè, ïðè÷åì ñêîëüêî ÿ íå ñòàðàëàñü, ìÿñà â íèõ òàê è íå íàøëà. Óëûáêà

À â êàêîì èìåííî ÈÃÓ? Óëûáêà Â ñìûñëå, ôàêóëüòåò êàêîé? Âðîäå òû ïèñàëà, íî ÷òî-òî çàáûë Äóìàþ

anuta ïèñàë(à):
×åðò âîçüìè, à ìíå æóòêî íðàâèëîñü ó÷èòüñÿ, îñîáåííî ðàáîòàòü íà ñåìèíàðñêèõ çàíÿòèÿõ, òàì ñ äîêëàäàìè âûñòóïàòü è ïðî÷åå òàêîå.

Ìíå íðàâèëîñü ëèøü ïî íåêîòîðûì ïðåäìåòàì, ïðåïîäàâàòåëè êîòîðûõ âåëè àêòóàëüíûå òåìû, à íå âñÿêóþ êðàñèâî íàïèñàííóþ åðóíäó èç òåîðèè òðåáîâàëè.

Òåìà ìîåãî äèïëîìà áûëà "Ñðàâíèòåëüíûé àíàëèç ðîññèéñêîé è àìåðèêàíñêîé ìîäåëåé ìåíåäæìåíòà". �îñëå äîêàëàäà îäíà æåíùèíà èç ÷ëåíîâ êîìèññèè, ëåò 55-60 íà âèä, çàäàëà âîïðîñ: "À ïî êàêèì øêîëàì ìåíåäæìåíòà Âû âåëè ñðàâíåíèå?"... �à ÷òî ÿ îòâåòèë, ÷òî òåîðèÿ, êîíå÷íî, êðàñèâàÿ øòóêà, íî äàâàéòå ãîâîðèòü î ñóùåñòâóþùèõ íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé äåíü âåùàõ, à íå î òîì, ÷òî â êíèãàõ. Îòâåò ýòîò ïðèâåë åå ïðîñòî â ÿðîñòü Óëûáêà È íå òîëüêî åå. Îäíà èç ïðè÷èí, ïî÷åìó ÿ ïîëó÷èë ÷åòâåðêó...

À íà îäíîì èç ïðåäìåòîâ íàì îáúÿñíÿëè ðàçëè÷íûå ñõåìû, êàê ìîæíî ñîêðàòèòü íàëîãîîáëàæåíèå, à íå åðóíäó, òèïà ÷òî òàêîå äîõîä è ÷åì îí îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò ïðèáûëè. Âîò ýòî íà ñàìîì äåëå èíòåðåñíî áûëî! Æàëü, ÷òî òàêèõ ïðåïîäîâ - ïî ïàëüöàì ïåðåñ÷èòàòü... Ãîâîðþ òîëüêî ïðî ñâîé èíñòèòóò. Î÷åíü ðàä, åñëè â äðóãèõ ëó÷øå.
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Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ
Âåðíóòüñÿ ê íà÷àëó
Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå Ïîñåòèòü ñàéò àâòîðà
White Owl
Øòàòíûé çàíóäà


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 10.03.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 2452
Îòêóäà: USA, New York City

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ïÿòíèöà, Íîÿáðÿ 18, 2005 3:52pm    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

anuta ïèñàë(à):
À âîò ÷òî ìíå ñåãîäíÿ ñòóäåíò íàïèñàë. (çàäàíèå áûëî íàïèñàòü research paper on World War I). "They (German soldiers) had to survive bombings by ranning around and trying to find a safe place to hide from enemy. They had to jump through trenches without getting hurt and they had to deal with French by throwing grenades and firing at them. Most of the soldiers just wanted to get back to a safe place just to get some corned beef and butter"..... Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà

âîîáùå ìíå ýòîò îòðûâîê íàïîìèíàåò êàêóþ-òî âèäåî-èãðó ïðûãàþò òàêèå ñîëäàòèêè, êèäàþòñÿ... âñå âçðûâàåòñÿ, êðàñî÷íî, ìóçû÷êà èãðàåò Óëûáêà

anuta ïèñàë(à):
�ó, ñòóäåíòû çäåñü íå î÷åíü-òî ãîëîäàþò, êàê íè ïîñìîòðèøü, îíè ïîñòîÿííî ÷åãî-òî æóþò. �ó è êîíå÷íî, êàôåòåðèé ó íàñ íåïëîõîé, ìîæíî äåøåâî è äîâîëüíî íåïëîõî ïîåñòü. Âîò ÿ ïîìíþ ó íàñ â ÈÃÓ â ñåðåäèíå 90-õ ãã. ñòîëîâêà áûëà - æóòü, îäíî âðåìÿ òàì íàì ïîçû ïðîäàâàëè, ïðè÷åì ñêîëüêî ÿ íå ñòàðàëàñü, ìÿñà â íèõ òàê è íå íàøëà. Óëûáêà

 íà÷àëå 90-õ, â ìîåì ðîäíîì ïåäå, ñòîëîâêà òîæå áûëà íå î÷åíü. À âîò â êîíöå 90-õ, êîíòîðà â êîòîðîé ÿ òîãäà ðàáîòàë, àðåíäîâàëà ïîìåùåíèÿ â òåõíèêóìå. Âîò òàì ñòîëîâàÿ áûëà....ìììì.... Î÷åíü äàæå ïðèëè÷íîé Óëûáêà �å ðåñòîðàí êîíå÷íî, íî è ñ æåëóäêîì ïðîáëåì íå áûëî, íå ñðàâíèòü ñî ñòóäåí÷åñêèìè ãîäàìè Óëûáêà
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Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 28.03.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 941
Îòêóäà: Cleveland, OH

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ïÿòíèöà, Íîÿáðÿ 18, 2005 4:17pm    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

Andrew ïèñàë(à):
�à ÷òî ÿ îòâåòèë, ÷òî òåîðèÿ, êîíå÷íî, êðàñèâàÿ øòóêà, íî äàâàéòå ãîâîðèòü î ñóùåñòâóþùèõ íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé äåíü âåùàõ, à íå î òîì, ÷òî â êíèãàõ. Îòâåò ýòîò ïðèâåë åå ïðîñòî â ÿðîñòü Óëûáêà È íå òîëüêî åå. Îäíà èç ïðè÷èí, ïî÷åìó ÿ ïîëó÷èë ÷åòâåðêó...

�ó áëèí òû äàåøü... Åñëè áû òû ìíå íà åêçàìåíå ïî ôèçèêå òàêîå îòâåòèë - ïîëó÷èë áû ïàðó áåç ðàçãîâîðîâ è áûë áû âûãíàí íà xðåí ñ ãëàç äîëîé. Åòî òàëàíò íàäî èìåòü - îäíèì ïðåäëîæåíèåì îïóñòèòü ñðàçó âñþ íàóêó ïåðåä ëþäüìè, êîòîðûå åé çàíèìàþòñÿ.
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Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 01.03.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 10421
Îòêóäà: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ïÿòíèöà, Íîÿáðÿ 18, 2005 4:25pm    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

Debaser ïèñàë(à):
�ó áëèí òû äàåøü... Åñëè áû òû ìíå íà åêçàìåíå ïî ôèçèêå òàêîå îòâåòèë - ïîëó÷èë áû ïàðó áåç ðàçãîâîðîâ è áûë áû âûãíàí íà xðåí ñ ãëàç äîëîé. Åòî òàëàíò íàäî èìåòü - îäíèì ïðåäëîæåíèåì îïóñòèòü ñðàçó âñþ íàóêó ïåðåä ëþäüìè, êîòîðûå åé çàíèìàþòñÿ.

�ëåâàòü. �îêàæè ìíå õîòü îäíîãî ìåíåäæåðà, êîòîðûé, íàíèìàÿ ñåáå ñîòðóäíèêà, áóäåò îáùàòüñÿ íà òåìó êëàññè÷åñêèõ øêîë ìåíåäæìåíòà.

�ðàêòè÷åñêè ÂÑß òåîðèÿ, êîòîðóþ íàì äîëáèëè â óíèâåðñèòåòå – ñîâåðøåííî íå ïðèãîæäàåòñÿ â ðàáîòå. Ëó÷øå áû ïðàêòèêè áîëüøå äàâàëè. Âïðî÷åì, ýòî îñîáåííîñòü ìîåãî óíèâåðà. Îáùàþñü ñ ëþäüìè èç äðóãîãî – âîò òàì äåéñòâèòåëüíî ó÷åáà, à íå ÷òåíèå ëåêöèé...
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Debaser
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 28.03.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 941
Îòêóäà: Cleveland, OH

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ïÿòíèöà, Íîÿáðÿ 18, 2005 4:34pm    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

Andrew ïèñàë(à):
Debaser ïèñàë(à):
�ó áëèí òû äàåøü... Åñëè áû òû ìíå íà åêçàìåíå ïî ôèçèêå òàêîå îòâåòèë - ïîëó÷èë áû ïàðó áåç ðàçãîâîðîâ è áûë áû âûãíàí íà xðåí ñ ãëàç äîëîé. Åòî òàëàíò íàäî èìåòü - îäíèì ïðåäëîæåíèåì îïóñòèòü ñðàçó âñþ íàóêó ïåðåä ëþäüìè, êîòîðûå åé çàíèìàþòñÿ.

�ëåâàòü. �îêàæè ìíå õîòü îäíîãî ìåíåäæåðà, êîòîðûé, íàíèìàÿ ñåáå ñîòðóäíèêà, áóäåò îáùàòüñÿ íà òåìó êëàññè÷åñêèõ øêîë ìåíåäæìåíòà.

�ðàêòè÷åñêè ÂÑß òåîðèÿ, êîòîðóþ íàì äîëáèëè â óíèâåðñèòåòå – ñîâåðøåííî íå ïðèãîæäàåòñÿ â ðàáîòå. Ëó÷øå áû ïðàêòèêè áîëüøå äàâàëè. Âïðî÷åì, ýòî îñîáåííîñòü ìîåãî óíèâåðà. Îáùàþñü ñ ëþäüìè èç äðóãîãî – âîò òàì äåéñòâèòåëüíî ó÷åáà, à íå ÷òåíèå ëåêöèé...

That's why I do not think that management is a science. And that's why I do physics. �îäêàëûâàþ
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Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå
Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 01.03.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 10421
Îòêóäà: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ïÿòíèöà, Íîÿáðÿ 18, 2005 4:44pm    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

Debaser ïèñàë(à):
That's why I do not think that management is a science.

Ñîãëàñåí.

�î òà òåòêà, âñå-òàêè, ïîêðàñíåëà îò ÿðîñòè Èðîíè÷åñêè çëîé À ÷åòâåðêà – ïëåâàòü íà ÷åòâåðêó. �å ñûãðàåò ýòî êîãäà-ëèáî ðåøàþùåé ðîëè â ìîåé æèçíè.
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anuta
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 02.11.2005
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 237
Îòêóäà: Irkutsk-Daytona Beach-Philadelphia

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ïÿòíèöà, Íîÿáðÿ 18, 2005 7:19pm    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

Andrew ïèñàë(à):
anuta ïèñàë(à):
Âîò ÿ ïîìíþ ó íàñ â ÈÃÓ â ñåðåäèíå 90-õ ãã. ñòîëîâêà áûëà - æóòü, îäíî âðåìÿ òàì íàì ïîçû ïðîäàâàëè, ïðè÷åì ñêîëüêî ÿ íå ñòàðàëàñü, ìÿñà â íèõ òàê è íå íàøëà. Óëûáêà

À â êàêîì èìåííî ÈÃÓ? Óëûáêà Â ñìûñëå, ôàêóëüòåò êàêîé? Âðîäå òû ïèñàëà, íî ÷òî-òî çàáûë Äóìàþ

ß ó÷èëàñü íà èñòôàêå.

anuta ïèñàë(à):
×åðò âîçüìè, à ìíå æóòêî íðàâèëîñü ó÷èòüñÿ, îñîáåííî ðàáîòàòü íà ñåìèíàðñêèõ çàíÿòèÿõ, òàì ñ äîêëàäàìè âûñòóïàòü è ïðî÷åå òàêîå.

Ìíå íðàâèëîñü ëèøü ïî íåêîòîðûì ïðåäìåòàì, ïðåïîäàâàòåëè êîòîðûõ âåëè àêòóàëüíûå òåìû, à íå âñÿêóþ êðàñèâî íàïèñàííóþ åðóíäó èç òåîðèè òðåáîâàëè.

Òåìà ìîåãî äèïëîìà áûëà "Ñðàâíèòåëüíûé àíàëèç ðîññèéñêîé è àìåðèêàíñêîé ìîäåëåé ìåíåäæìåíòà". �îñëå äîêàëàäà îäíà æåíùèíà èç ÷ëåíîâ êîìèññèè, ëåò 55-60 íà âèä, çàäàëà âîïðîñ: "À ïî êàêèì øêîëàì ìåíåäæìåíòà Âû âåëè ñðàâíåíèå?"... �à ÷òî ÿ îòâåòèë, ÷òî òåîðèÿ, êîíå÷íî, êðàñèâàÿ øòóêà, íî äàâàéòå ãîâîðèòü î ñóùåñòâóþùèõ íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé äåíü âåùàõ, à íå î òîì, ÷òî â êíèãàõ. Îòâåò ýòîò ïðèâåë åå ïðîñòî â ÿðîñòü Óëûáêà È íå òîëüêî åå. Îäíà èç ïðè÷èí, ïî÷åìó ÿ ïîëó÷èë ÷åòâåðêó...

À íà îäíîì èç ïðåäìåòîâ íàì îáúÿñíÿëè ðàçëè÷íûå ñõåìû, êàê ìîæíî ñîêðàòèòü íàëîãîîáëàæåíèå, à íå åðóíäó, òèïà ÷òî òàêîå äîõîä è ÷åì îí îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò ïðèáûëè. Âîò ýòî íà ñàìîì äåëå èíòåðåñíî áûëî! Æàëü, ÷òî òàêèõ ïðåïîäîâ - ïî ïàëüöàì ïåðåñ÷èòàòü... Ãîâîðþ òîëüêî ïðî ñâîé èíñòèòóò. Î÷åíü ðàä, åñëè â äðóãèõ ëó÷øå.


�íäðþ, à òû ãäå ó÷èëñÿ-òî ?  áûâøåì �àðõîçå èëè ÈÃÓ?
Âîîáùå, ìíå âñåãäà áîëüøå íðàâèëèñü ïðàêòè÷åñêèå çàíÿòèÿ, à íå ëåêöèè. Èìåííî íà ïðàêòè÷åñêèõ ÷åìó-òî ìîæíî áûëî íàó÷èòüñÿ, à ëåêöèè.... Ìàëî êòî óìååò èõ èíòåðåñíî ïðåïîäíîñèòü.
Ñ ýêîíîìèêîé âîîáùå îòäåëüíûé ðàçãîâîð, òå ïðîôåññîðà, êîòîðûå âåëè â ãîäû ñîâåòñêîé âëàñòè ïîëèòýêîíîìèþ, ñåé÷àñ ìàíåäæìåíò ñ ìàðêåòèíãîì ïðåïîäàþò. ß ñîìíåâàþñü, ÷òî îíè âîîáùå-òî âñå ýòè íîâûå ìîäåëè ïîíèìàþò è ìîãóò èõ ýôôåêòèâíî ïðåïîäàâàòü.
Âåðíóòüñÿ ê íà÷àëó
Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå
Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 01.03.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 10421
Îòêóäà: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ñóááîòà, Íîÿáðÿ 19, 2005 2:39am    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

anuta ïèñàë(à):
�íäðþ, à òû ãäå ó÷èëñÿ-òî ?  áûâøåì �àðõîçå èëè ÈÃÓ?

 ÈðÃÒÓ.

anuta ïèñàë(à):
Âîîáùå, ìíå âñåãäà áîëüøå íðàâèëèñü ïðàêòè÷åñêèå çàíÿòèÿ, à íå ëåêöèè. Èìåííî íà ïðàêòè÷åñêèõ ÷åìó-òî ìîæíî áûëî íàó÷èòüñÿ, à ëåêöèè.... Ìàëî êòî óìååò èõ èíòåðåñíî ïðåïîäíîñèòü.

Çîëîòûå ñëîâà!


anuta ïèñàë(à):
Ñ ýêîíîìèêîé âîîáùå îòäåëüíûé ðàçãîâîð, òå ïðîôåññîðà, êîòîðûå âåëè â ãîäû ñîâåòñêîé âëàñòè ïîëèòýêîíîìèþ, ñåé÷àñ ìàíåäæìåíò ñ ìàðêåòèíãîì ïðåïîäàþò. ß ñîìíåâàþñü, ÷òî îíè âîîáùå-òî âñå ýòè íîâûå ìîäåëè ïîíèìàþò è ìîãóò èõ ýôôåêòèâíî ïðåïîäàâàòü.

Ñîãëàñåí! À ïîòîì íà çàùèòå äèïëîìà ñîâåðøåííî èäèîòñêèå âîïðîñû çàäàþò, òàê êàê âñå èç íèõ äîëæíû ÷òî-íèáóäü ñïðîñèòü.

Âïðî÷åì, ÿ ïîèíòåðåñîâàëñÿ, êòî èç íèõ èìååò ïðàêòèêó ðàáîòû íà àìåðèêàíñêîì ïðåäïðèÿòèè, à íå ïðîñòî ñëûøàë îá ýòîì ãäå-òî èç êíèã Èðîíè÷åñêè çëîé. �èêòî. Ñëåäîâàòåëüíî – íå ìîãëè îíè îáúåêòèâíî ñóäèòü î ìîåì ñðàâíèòåëüíîì àíàëèçå.
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MaxiM
�óäóùèé àìåðèêàíåö


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 03.06.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 3546
Îòêóäà: Moscow

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ñóááîòà, Íîÿáðÿ 19, 2005 9:13am    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

ß êîãäà ó÷èëñÿ ó íàñ â âóçå ââåëè èíîñòðàííóþ ñèñòåìó îáó÷åíèÿ. Èçó÷àåøü ïðåäìåò äîìà, à íà ëåêöèè ïðèõîäèøü óæå ïîäãîòîâëåííûì, è, ÷òîáû çàäàòü âîïðîñû ïî òîìó, ÷òî òåáå íå ïîíÿòíî. Åñëè ïîíÿòíî, òî íà õðåíà òîãäà âîîáùå ïðèõîäèòü. �î áûëè è èñêëþ÷åíèÿ, êîãäà íà ëåêöèè ïðîñòî çàñëóøèâàåøüñÿ ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿ, à ïîòîì, ïîñëå òàêîé ëåêöèè, ìîæíî ó÷åáíèê íå îòêðûâàòü. �î òàêîå ðåäêî áûëî.
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Ïîñìîòðåòü ïðîôèëü Îòïðàâèòü ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå
Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 01.03.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 10421
Îòêóäà: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ñóááîòà, Íîÿáðÿ 19, 2005 9:48am    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

Êàê íàçðåâàþùèé òîïèê îáçîâåì? Óëûáêà
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Àðòåì
Ìîäåðàòîð


Çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí: 10.03.2003
Ñîîáùåíèÿ: 8295
Îòêóäà: Russia, Ufa

ÑîîáùåíèåÄîáàâëåíî: Ñóááîòà, Íîÿáðÿ 19, 2005 10:07am    Çàãîëîâîê ñîîáùåíèÿ: Re: ñòóäåí÷åñêèå îïóñû Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòàòîé

Andrew ïèñàë(à):

Âïðî÷åì, ÿ ïîèíòåðåñîâàëñÿ, êòî èç íèõ èìååò ïðàêòèêó ðàáîòû íà àìåðèêàíñêîì ïðåäïðèÿòèè, à íå ïðîñòî ñëûøàë îá ýòîì ãäå-òî èç êíèã Èðîíè÷åñêè çëîé. �èêòî. Ñëåäîâàòåëüíî – íå ìîãëè îíè îáúåêòèâíî ñóäèòü î ìîåì ñðàâíèòåëüíîì àíàëèçå.


Òóò õèòðîñòü åñòü. Åñëè ïðåïîäû ÷òî-òî íå çíàþò â çàùèùàåìîì äèïëîìå, òî ìîæíî èì ïîëüñòèòü. Ñêàçàòü (äàæå áåç íàìåêà íà èðîíèþ!) ÷òî â ÑØÀ, êàê âû çíàåòå, âîò òàê è òàê. �ðè ýòîì âåùàòü ïîñòîÿííî è óâåðåííî. Îíè áóäóò ñ ãîðäûì è íàäóâøèìñÿ âèäîì ñèäåòü è âíèìàòü, êèâàÿ. �îòîì çàäàäóò êàêèå-òî äåæóðíûå âîïðîñû. Òàê êàê îíè áóäóò ïîä äåéñòâèåì ëåñòè, âîïðîñû áóäóò ëåãêèå, è èõ áóäåò ìàëî. Òàê, ïî îáùåé òåîðèè. �à âîïðîñû ëó÷øå îòâåòèòü êàê-íèáóäü, íî íå øîêèðóÿ. �ðåäñêàçóåìî.  èòîãå îíè âëåïÿò æèðíóþ ïÿòåðêó. Óëûáêà
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