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Antonio Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 25.08.2005 : 100 : Ukraine
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: , 22, 2005 7:38am : |
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"Íå áîéñÿ ñîâåðøåíñòâà - òåáå íå äîñòè÷ü åãî" - Ñàëüâàäîð Äàëè. Îòëè÷íåéøàÿ ôðàçà! |
Äà, ôðàçà õîðîøàÿ. Ïîýòîìó íà ðàáîòå "ïîòîëêà" íèêîãäà áûòü íå ìîæåò. Âñåãäà åñòü ÷åìó ïîó÷èòüñÿ. Íóæíî ëèøü ïðèòâîðèòüñÿ, ÷òî ïûòàåøüñÿ äîñòè÷ü ñîâåðøåíñòâà, òîãäà äîñòèãíåøü ìíîãîãî è, êòî çíàåò, ìîæåò áóäåøü íåäàëåê îò ýòîãî. _________________ A road of thousand miles begins with the single step |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 22, 2005 7:58am : |
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| Ïîýòîìó íà ðàáîòå "ïîòîëêà" íèêîãäà áûòü íå ìîæåò. |
Ýòî åñëè ìîòèâàöèÿ åñòü  _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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Antonio Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 25.08.2005 : 100 : Ukraine
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Ýòî åñëè ìîòèâàöèÿ åñòü  |
Ìîòèâàöèÿ åñòü âñåãäà. Äëÿ ÷åãî ìû â îôèñå ñèäèì? Äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû âûïîëíèòü ðàáîòó, êîòîðóþ îò íàñ òðåáóþò? Íàâåðíîå, èç ëè÷íûõ ìîòèâîâ. Ó÷èòüñÿ íå ïîçäíî, à ó÷åáà- ãëàâíàÿ ìîòèâàöèÿ, ïîñëå äåíåã êîíå÷íî. _________________ A road of thousand miles begins with the single step |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| Ìîòèâàöèÿ åñòü âñåãäà. |
Îïûò - ìîæåò áûòü è äà, íî ôèíàíñîâàÿ ìîòèâàöèÿ - íå âñåãäà, ê ñîæàëåíèþ... _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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Antonio Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 25.08.2005 : 100 : Ukraine
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Îïûò - ìîæåò áûòü è äà, íî ôèíàíñîâàÿ ìîòèâàöèÿ - íå âñåãäà, ê ñîæàëåíèþ... |
À äëÿ ÷åãî æå àïãðåéäèòü ñåáÿ? Äëÿ ñàìîñîçíàíèÿ è âîçâûøåííûõ öåëåé èëè èç ìàòåðèàëüíûõ ñîîáðàæåíèé? _________________ A road of thousand miles begins with the single step |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| À äëÿ ÷åãî æå àïãðåéäèòü ñåáÿ? Äëÿ ñàìîñîçíàíèÿ è âîçâûøåííûõ öåëåé èëè èç ìàòåðèàëüíûõ ñîîáðàæåíèé? |
È äëÿ òîãî, è äëÿ òîãî, åñëè îáîáùèòü  _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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Antonio Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 25.08.2005 : 100 : Ukraine
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È äëÿ òîãî, è äëÿ òîãî, åñëè îáîáùèòü  |
À ó òåáÿ îäíî çàâèñèò îò äðóãîãî èëè íåò? ß èìåþ ââèäó ñàìîñîçíàíèå îò îò ìàòåðèàëüíûõ áëàã. _________________ A road of thousand miles begins with the single step |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð

: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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Ýòî åñëè ìîòèâàöèÿ åñòü  |
Ìîòèâàöèÿ åñòü âñåãäà. Äëÿ ÷åãî ìû â îôèñå ñèäèì? |
Ñåé÷àñ ÿ â îôèñå ñèæó äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû ðàç â ìåñÿö ïîëó÷èòü â áàíêîìàòå ïà÷å÷êó õðóñòÿùèõ áóìàæåê. È åùå ÷òîáû ïåíñèÿ íà÷èñëÿëàñü. È åùå ÷òîáû îôèöèàëüíûé îïûò øåë ïî òðóäîâîé êíèæêå. Âñå îñòàëüíîå äëÿ ìåíÿ âòîðè÷íî, ò.ê. è "êàðüåðó" è îïûò ÿ ïîëó÷àþ â äðóãèõ ìåñòàõ. À âîîáùå, êîíå÷íî, ðàçíûå ñèòóàöèè áûâàþò â ðàçíûõ æèçíÿõ: è ðàäè îïûòà, ðàäè êàðüåðû. Íî ñîâñåì íå âñåãäà. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| À ó òåáÿ îäíî çàâèñèò îò äðóãîãî èëè íåò? ß èìåþ ââèäó ñàìîñîçíàíèå îò îò ìàòåðèàëüíûõ áëàã. |
Êîíå÷íî, íå âî âñåì, íî çàâèñèìîñòü ïðèñóòñòâóåò. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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Antonio Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 25.08.2005 : 100 : Ukraine
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Ñåé÷àñ ÿ â îôèñå ñèæó äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû ðàç â ìåñÿö ïîëó÷èòü â áàíêîìàòå ïà÷å÷êó õðóñòÿùèõ áóìàæåê. È åùå ÷òîáû ïåíñèÿ íà÷èñëÿëàñü. È åùå ÷òîáû îôèöèàëüíûé îïûò øåë ïî òðóäîâîé êíèæêå. Âñå îñòàëüíîå äëÿ ìåíÿ âòîðè÷íî, ò.ê. è "êàðüåðó" è îïûò ÿ ïîëó÷àþ â äðóãèõ ìåñòàõ. À âîîáùå, êîíå÷íî, ðàçíûå ñèòóàöèè áûâàþò â ðàçíûõ æèçíÿõ: è ðàäè îïûòà, ðàäè êàðüåðû. Íî ñîâñåì íå âñåãäà. |
Âîò î ÷åì ÿ è òîëêóþ, ðàçâå íå ëó÷üøå ñèäåòü â òàê ñêàçàòü "íàäîåâøåì" îôèñå, ÷òîáû ïîëó÷èòü ïà÷êó õðóñòÿùèõ, ÷åì ìûòü òóàëåòû ðàäè ýòîãî æå? _________________ A road of thousand miles begins with the single step |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| Âîò î ÷åì ÿ è òîëêóþ, ðàçâå íå ëó÷üøå ñèäåòü â òàê ñêàçàòü "íàäîåâøåì" îôèñå, ÷òîáû ïîëó÷èòü ïà÷êó õðóñòÿùèõ, ÷åì ìûòü òóàëåòû ðàäè ýòîãî æå? |
À ìîæíî ðàáîòàòü (íå ñèäåòü!) â êàáèíåòå ñîáñòâåííîãî îñîáíÿêà íà áåðåãó Áàéêàëà  _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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Antonio Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 25.08.2005 : 100 : Ukraine
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: , 22, 2005 9:00am : |
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À ìîæíî ðàáîòàòü (íå ñèäåòü!) â êàáèíåòå ñîáñòâåííîãî îñîáíÿêà íà áåðåãó Áàéêàëà  |
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 13.11.2003 : 1539 : NC, USA
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: , 23, 2005 2:04am : |
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| Äëÿ ìåíÿ îí èíòåðåñåí íå ïðîñòî, ÷òîáû áûòü áîëåå íåçàâèñèìûì, íî è êàê âîçìîæíîñòü ðåàëèçîâàòü ñåáÿ. |
Íà ñàìîì äåëå ÷àñòî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî âìåñòî ñàìîðåàëèçàöèè íóæíî çàíèìàòüñÿ ðóòèíîé, "êðóòèòüñÿ". Õîðîøî, êîãäà åñòü êîìàíäà åäèíîìûøëåííèêîâ, ãäå êàæäûé çàíèìàåòñÿ ÷åì-òî ñâîèì ("àäìèíèñòðàòîð", "òâîðåö", "ñíàáæåíåö" è ò.ä.), íî íà äåëå òàê ðåäêî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ. Âïðî÷åì ýòî óæå îôôòîïèê.
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| Ìíå âîò äîâåëîñü, íàïðèìåð, ïîðàáîòàòü â îäíîé êîíòîðå, êîòîðàÿ âõîäèëà â Top 10 best companies to work for in IT. [...] |
Î÷åíü õî÷åòñÿ ñïðîñèòü - ïî÷åìó "äîâåëîñü"? Ïî÷åìó âñå åùå íå òàì?  |
Ïðîåêò çàâåðøèëñÿ (ÿ áûëà òàì ïî êîíòðàêòó) è áîëüøå ìîè óñëóãè íå íóæíû.  |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| Íà ñàìîì äåëå ÷àñòî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî âìåñòî ñàìîðåàëèçàöèè íóæíî çàíèìàòüñÿ ðóòèíîé, "êðóòèòüñÿ". |
Âèäèìî îò òîãî, ÷òî ó ìåíÿ â ýòîì ïîêà íå òàê ìíîãî îïûòà - êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî "êðóòèòüñÿ" è "ðóòèíà" - äâå áîëüøèå ðàçíèöû  _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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Antonio Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 25.08.2005 : 100 : Ukraine
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Âèäèìî îò òîãî, ÷òî ó ìåíÿ â ýòîì ïîêà íå òàê ìíîãî îïûòà - êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî "êðóòèòüñÿ" è "ðóòèíà" - äâå áîëüøèå ðàçíèöû  |
Åñëè ïðàâèëüíî íàñòðîèòüñÿ, òî ìîæíî òàê êðóòèòüñÿ â ðóòèíå, ÷òî îíà óæå íå áóäåò êàçàòüñÿ ðóòèíîé, à ñòàíåò çàíèìàòåëüíîé äåÿòåëüíîñòüþ. _________________ A road of thousand miles begins with the single step |
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Doxx US Patriot

: 14.06.2003 : 2082 : Ulyanovsk, Russia
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: , 23, 2005 10:53pm : |
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Äëÿ ñîáñòâåííîãî áèçíåñà íóæåí ñòàðòîâûé êàïèòàë  |
À äëÿ ñòàðòîâîãî êàïèòàëà íóæåí õîòÿ áû ñòàðòîâûé ïèñòîëåò. (Èç àíåêäîòà).
Äëÿ ñîáñòâåííîãî áèçíåñà íàäî ïîðàáîòàòü ïîä êåì-òî â ýòîé ñôåðå...
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Êîãäà òû ÿâëÿåøüñÿ âëàäåëüöåì ñîáñòâåííîé êîìïàíèè - òî ïðèäåòñÿ ïîñòîÿííî ïîäñòðàèâàòüñÿ ïîä ðûíîê - ñêó÷àòü íå ïðèäåòñÿ |
Êîãäà ðàáîòàåøü íà ñåáÿ è äëÿ ñåáÿ - õàëòóðèòü è ïðîñèæèâàòüñÿ íå áóäåøü
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| Âïðî÷åì, ýòî æå ìîæíî ïðèìåíèòü è ê êàêîé-íèáóäü ïðîôåññèè, íàâåðíîå, íî ýòî òîëüêî â óñëîâèÿõ æåñòêîé êîíêóðåíöèè, êîòîðîé çäåñü (â Èðêóòñêå) ïîêà íåò. |
Îòcþäà è îòíîøåíèÿ ê êëèåíòàì. Åñëè êëèåíòó íåêóäà áîëüøå èäòè, òàê îí íà ëþáûå óñëîâèÿ ñîãëàñèòüñÿ. Õîòÿ ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû - ýòî åãî öåíà çà ñîáñòâåííóþ "íåîðäèíàðíîñòü"/çà ïîñòàâëåííîå ïðîèçâîäñòâî/ ïðîôåññèîíàëèçì ðàáîòíèêîâ _________________ Ñäåëàé ñâîþ ìå÷òó öåëüþ. /Doxx/
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 24, 2005 12:58am : |
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| Êîãäà ðàáîòàåøü íà ñåáÿ è äëÿ ñåáÿ - õàëòóðèòü è ïðîñèæèâàòüñÿ íå áóäåøü |
Åñëè òîëüêî òû õîðîøî îðãàíèçîâàí è íå ëåíèâ. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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Antonio Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 25.08.2005 : 100 : Ukraine
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Åñëè òîëüêî òû õîðîøî îðãàíèçîâàí è íå ëåíèâ. |
Õðóñòÿùèå êóïþðû - ñàìîå ëó÷üøåå ëåêàðñòâî ïðîòèâ ëåíè. _________________ A road of thousand miles begins with the single step |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| Õðóñòÿùèå êóïþðû - ñàìîå ëó÷üøåå ëåêàðñòâî ïðîòèâ ëåíè. |
Ïî÷åìó òîãäà ñòîëüêî ìíîãî ëþäåé çà ÷åðòîé áåäíîñòè? Îíè ÷åì óãîäíî ïðèêðûâàþòñÿ, íî íè çà ÷òî íå ïðèçíàþò, ÷òî ñàìè íè÷åãî íå äåëàþò... _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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Doxx US Patriot

: 14.06.2003 : 2082 : Ulyanovsk, Russia
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| Êîãäà ðàáîòàåøü íà ñåáÿ è äëÿ ñåáÿ - õàëòóðèòü è ïðîñèæèâàòüñÿ íå áóäåøü |
Åñëè òîëüêî òû õîðîøî îðãàíèçîâàí è íå ëåíèâ. |
Ñòàðàåøüñÿ ïðåâðàòèòü ðàáîòó â õîááè... À âîò ïîâàëÿòüñÿ ëþáëþ, ñåãîäíÿ áûë âûõîäíîé, èç êðîâàòè ïîòè íå âûëàçèë. Â ëþáûõ äðóãèõ äåëàõ: âáèòü ãâîçäü, âûêèíóòü èç âåäðà áûâàþ ëåíèâ, íî íå â ìîåé ðàáîòå.
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| Õðóñòÿùèå êóïþðû - ñàìîå ëó÷üøåå ëåêàðñòâî ïðîòèâ ëåíè. |
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| Ïî÷åìó òîãäà ñòîëüêî ìíîãî ëþäåé çà ÷åðòîé áåäíîñòè? Îíè ÷åì óãîäíî ïðèêðûâàþòñÿ, íî íè çà ÷òî íå ïðèçíàþò, ÷òî ñàìè íè÷åãî íå äåëàþò... |
Ïðèìåð 1. Ìèëëèàðäåðû ïîëó÷àþò ìèëëèîíû â äåíü. Ìíå Íèêîãäà íå èìåòü òàêèõ äåíåã.
Ïðèìåð 2. Áåç âûñøåãî îáðàçîâàíèÿ ÷åëîâåê íèêîãäà íå ñòàíåò äèðåêòîðîì êàêîãî-ëèáî ïðåäïðèÿòèÿ, â ëó÷øåì ñëó÷àå ìàñòåðîì çà âûñëóãîé ëåò
Ïðèìåð 3. Íóæíî ñòðåìèòñÿ ê ðîñòó.
Èòîã: ëþäè äîñòèãàþò êîãäà-ëèáî ñâîåãî ìàêñèìóìà â ñèëó ñâîèõ âîçìîæíîñòåé. Íà âñå ñâîè îáñòîÿòåëüñòâà. _________________ Ñäåëàé ñâîþ ìå÷òó öåëüþ. /Doxx/
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