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-E- Íîâè÷îê
: 19.08.2005 : 5 : Ïÿòèãîðñê
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: , 19, 2005 3:56pm : Äðóçüÿ, ïðîêîììåíòèðóéòå ÐÅÇÞÌÅ, pls! |
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Òàêîå äåëî: ñîáèðàþñü â 2006 ãîäó íà ëåòî ïî ïðîãðàììå Work & Travel â Øòàòû. Õîòü åäó è â ïåðâûé ðàç, õî÷ó äëÿ íà÷àëà ïîïðîáîâàòü ïîèñêàòü ðàáîòó ÷åðåç Èíåò… âîò, íàïèñàë ðåçþìå (â ëþáîì ñëó÷àå ïîíàäîáèòñÿ ¬– âòîðóþ ðàáîòó èñêàòü, íàïðèìåð =) ).
À ïîñêîëüêó íà ýòîì Ôîðóìå ëþäè îáèòàþò çíàþùèå è îïûòíûå, ïðîøó Âàñ ïðî÷èòàòü è ïðîêîììåíòèðîâàòü ìîå òâîðåíèå. Ïðèíèìàþ ëþáûå âèäû êîíñòðóêòèâíîé êðèòèêè ñ áëàãîäàðíîñòüþ
P.S. Sorry, êàðòèíêà íåìíîãî âåëèêîâàòà ïî âåñó – íî ñ ìåíüøèì ðàçðåøåíèåì Âàì áûëî áû íåêîìôîðòíî ÷èòàòü…
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Slava ÍËÎ
: 10.03.2003 : 4182 : at this moment Stamford CT
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: , 19, 2005 5:08pm : |
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Ïåðâûé ðàç âèæó òàêîå öâåòàñòâîå ïðîôåñèîíàëüíîå ðåçþìå...
Ýòî ÷åðíîâèê èëè òàê ñî âñåìè ýòèìè ñòðåëî÷êàìè è áóäåøü ïîñûëàòü? _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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-E-, òû íå â ìîíåòíîì äâîðå, ñëó÷àåì, ðàáîòàåøü? Èëè îáúÿñíè, äëÿ ÷åãî íóæíà íàäïèñü «Íå äëÿ êîïèðîâàíèÿ»?
 ðåçþìå âñå-òàêè óêàæè, ÷òî òû ó÷àñòíèê ïðîãðàììû îáìåíà, ïî êîòîðîé ìîæíî ðàáîòàòü, è ìîæíî óïîìÿíóòü êîîðäèíàòû ñïîíñîðà. Ïîëüçû îò ýòîãî áóäåò òî÷íî áîëüøå, ÷åì âðåäà.
Íèêîãäà íå âèäåë, ÷òîáû ïèñàëè áóäóùóþ äàòó îêîí÷àíèÿ óíèâåðà, îáû÷íî ïèøóò ïðîñòî “Present”.
Òû ìíîãî ðàññêàçàë î ñâîåì îáó÷åíèå, íî ïðàêòè÷åñêè íè÷åãî â ãðàôå “Experience”, à èìåííî íà íåãî áóäåò ñìîòðåòü ðàáîòîäàòåëü â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü, òàê êàê ïî áîëüøîìó ñ÷åòó åìó áåç ðàçíèöû, êàê òû ó÷èëñÿ è êàêèå ñåðòèôèêàòû ïîëó÷èë, åñëè òû áóäåøü ëåïèòü áóðãåðû íà êóõíå.
Íó è êîìó áóäóò íóæíû íàâûêè ðàáîòû â Photoshop, åñëè îïÿòü æå òû áóäåøü ðàáîòàòü ãäå-íèáóäü â ñôåðå îáñëóæèâàíèÿ? Äåëàé óïîð íà äðóãîå, íå íà ýòî.
Áîëüøå íèêàêîãî îïûòà ðàáîòû íåò? _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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: 19.08.2005 : 5 : Ïÿòèãîðñê
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Slava (): |
Ïåðâûé ðàç âèæó òàêîå öâåòàñòâîå ïðîôåñèîíàëüíîå ðåçþìå...
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ÿ òàê äóìàþ, ãëàâíàÿ çàäà÷à - âûäåëèòüñÿ? |
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Slava ÍËÎ
: 10.03.2003 : 4182 : at this moment Stamford CT
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Íèêîãäà íå âèäåë, ÷òîáû ïèñàëè áóäóùóþ äàòó îêîí÷àíèÿ óíèâåðà, îáû÷íî ïèøóò ïðîñòî “Present”.
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Esli ty eshe v univere to eto obiazatel'no!
Dlia raboty pishut Present a dlia univera datu okonchania. _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
Expirience comes from bad judgment |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 20, 2005 6:27am : |
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Esli ty eshe v univere to eto obiazatel'no!
Dlia raboty pishut Present a dlia univera datu okonchania. |
Íå çíàë... Õîòÿ è íå âèäåë òàêîãî íå ðàçó çäåñü. Íàâåðíîå, ïîòîìó, ÷òî ñêîëüêî ðåçþìå ñìîòðåë - âñå îíè áûëè óæå íå îò ëþäåé, êòî ó÷èòñÿ _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003 : 1539 : NC, USA
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: , 20, 2005 11:08pm : |
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Äîëãî ñìåÿëàñü. Ìäà-ñ, ñàìîìíåíèÿ ó àâòîðà õîòü îòáàâëÿé...
Äàæå íå çíàþ, ñ ÷åãî íà÷àòü ðóãàòü. "Óæ ñêîëüêî ðàç òâåðäèëè ìèðó, à âñå íå âïðîê".
Åñëè âû óæå ó÷èòåñü â óíèâåðñèòåòå, òî ïðî øêîëó óæå íå ïèøóò. Ýòî â "experience" ïèøóò ïðî âñå ãîäû ðàáîòû, à â "education" òîëüêî ïðî âûñøóþ äîñòèãíóòóþ ñòóïåíü.
Âñÿêèå "personal information", íåíóæíûå óêðàøàòåëüñòâà è óæ òåì áîëåå ôîòîãðàôèþ - âñå íàôèê, æå÷ü îãíåì è ìå÷îì. (Andrew, ÿ áû ýòî ïîìåñòèëà óæå ãäå-íèáóäü î÷åíü áîëüøèìè áóêâàìè íà âèäíîì ìåñòå, à òî ïðÿìî ìàíèÿ êàêàÿ-òî ó íàðîäà ïèñàòü "à ÿ åùå è íà ìàøèíêå ìîãó, è âûøèâàòü...".)  Åâðîïå ïî÷åìó-òî èíîãäà èíòåðåñóþòñÿ ëè÷íûìè äàííûìè òèïà âîçðàñòà, â ÑØÀ ýòî íå ïðèíÿòî è ìîæåò áûòü íåïðàâèëüíî âîñïðèíÿòî êàê íàìåê, ÷òî, ìîë, íå ïðèìåòå ìåíÿ òàê ÿ âàñ çà äèñêðèìèíàöèþ ïî âîçðàñòó, ïîëó è ò.ä. ïî ñóäàì çàòàñêàþ. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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Helen_NJ (): |
Andrew, ÿ áû ýòî ïîìåñòèëà óæå ãäå-íèáóäü î÷åíü áîëüøèìè áóêâàìè íà âèäíîì ìåñòå, à òî ïðÿìî ìàíèÿ êàêàÿ-òî ó íàðîäà ïèñàòü "à ÿ åùå è íà ìàøèíêå ìîãó, è âûøèâàòü...". |
Çàìåòèë, òàêàÿ òåíäåíöèÿ ïðîñëåæèâàåòñÿ îáðàòíî ïðîïîðöèîíàëüíî âîçðàñòó – ÷åì ñòàðøå ÷åëîâåê, òåì ìåíüøå îí ïèøåò “skills” â èíòåðåñàõ Íàâåðíîå, ïîòîìó, ÷òî ó ìîëîäûõ ïîêà åùå îñîáî ïîõâàñòàòü íå÷åì â ïëàíå îïûòà ðàáîòû – âîò è ñòàðàþòñÿ çàáèòü ëèñòîê ÷åì-òî _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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: 19.08.2005 : 5 : Ïÿòèãîðñê
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Helen_NJ (): |
Ýòî â "experience" ïèøóò ïðî âñå ãîäû ðàáîòû, à â "education" òîëüêî ïðî âûñøóþ äîñòèãíóòóþ ñòóïåíü. |
Êîå-ãäå â èíåòå ñîâåòóþò ïèñàòü è ïðî øêîëó... äàæå íå çíàþ, êòî ïðàâ... ïðîñòî â óíèâåðå ìàëî åùå ÷åì ìîæíî ïîíòîíóòüñÿ... êñòàòè, ïóáëèêàöèè, ÿ òàê äóìàþ, ñìûñëà óêàçûâàòü íåò?
È åùå âîïðîñ: êàê âû äóìàåòå, â êàêîì âèäå ëó÷øå ýòî ñëàòü? ÿ ñêëîíÿþñü ê ïðèêðåïëåííîìó PDF-ôàéëó... |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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È åùå âîïðîñ: êàê âû äóìàåòå, â êàêîì âèäå ëó÷øå ýòî ñëàòü? ÿ ñêëîíÿþñü ê ïðèêðåïëåííîìó PDF-ôàéëó... |
*.doc ëó÷øå. Âèäåë ëþäåé, êîòîðûå ïîíÿòèÿ íå èìåþò, ÷òî òàêîå pdf. À *.doc îòêðîåòñÿ ïî÷òè íà ëþáîì êîìïå. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Doxx US Patriot
: 14.06.2003 : 2082 : Ulyanovsk, Russia
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Èòîæó: Be simply. Íè÷åãî ëèøíåãî. Ñòðîãèé "êîñòþì", ò.å. ðåçþìå _________________ Ñäåëàé ñâîþ ìå÷òó öåëüþ. /Doxx/
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003 : 1539 : NC, USA
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È åùå âîïðîñ: êàê âû äóìàåòå, â êàêîì âèäå ëó÷øå ýòî ñëàòü? ÿ ñêëîíÿþñü ê ïðèêðåïëåííîìó PDF-ôàéëó... |
*.doc ëó÷øå. Âèäåë ëþäåé, êîòîðûå ïîíÿòèÿ íå èìåþò, ÷òî òàêîå pdf. À *.doc îòêðîåòñÿ ïî÷òè íà ëþáîì êîìïå. |
À åùå ëó÷øå .rtf - îòêðûâàåòñÿ ëþáûì ðåäàêòîðîì, íî âèðóñ ê íåìó îñîáî íå ïðèëåïèøü. Èëè ìîæíî ïðèëîæèòü è .doc è .txt äëÿ âåðíîñòè. |
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003 : 1539 : NC, USA
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Êîå-ãäå â èíåòå ñîâåòóþò ïèñàòü è ïðî øêîëó... äàæå íå çíàþ, êòî ïðàâ... ïðîñòî â óíèâåðå ìàëî åùå ÷åì ìîæíî ïîíòîíóòüñÿ... êñòàòè, ïóáëèêàöèè, ÿ òàê äóìàþ, ñìûñëà óêàçûâàòü íåò? |
Íè â îäíîé êíèãå ïðî íàïèñàíèå ðåçþìå è íè íà îäíîì ñàéòå ïðîôåññèîíàëüíûõ ñîñòàâèòåëåé ðåçþìå â ÑØÀ ÿ íå âèäåëà, ÷òîáû ñòóäåíòàì âûñøèõ ó÷åáíûõ çàâåäåíèé ñîâåòîâàëè ïèñàòü ïðî øêîëó. Óêàçûâàåòñÿ òîëüêî âûñøèé óðîâåíü îáðàçîâàíèÿ - â âàøåì ñëó÷àå n-é êóðñ. Âû áû åùå ïðî äåòñêèé ñàä âñïîìíèëè.
Ïðî êàêèå ïóáëèêàöèè âû ãîâîðèòå? Íå çàìåòèëà íè÷åãî òàêîãî.
Ñåðòèôèêàòû ó âàñ òàì êàê-òî ñòðàííî ïðîïèñàíû. Ñåðòèôèêàòû (åñëè ýòî íå ïðîñòî áóìàæêà "ïðîñëóøàë êóðñ") ïðîïèñûâàþòñÿ ïðèìåðíî ñëåäóþùèì îáðàçîì:
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CERTIFICATIONS
Brainbench certifications (www.brainbench.com):
* Visual Basic 6.0. Programmer (Transcript ###), 2000
* Java Programmer (Transcript 3281666), 2001
English as Second Language, 2000 |
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003 : 1539 : NC, USA
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Çàìåòèë, òàêàÿ òåíäåíöèÿ ïðîñëåæèâàåòñÿ îáðàòíî ïðîïîðöèîíàëüíî âîçðàñòó – ÷åì ñòàðøå ÷åëîâåê, òåì ìåíüøå îí ïèøåò “skills” â èíòåðåñàõ Íàâåðíîå, ïîòîìó, ÷òî ó ìîëîäûõ ïîêà åùå îñîáî ïîõâàñòàòü íå÷åì â ïëàíå îïûòà ðàáîòû – âîò è ñòàðàþòñÿ çàáèòü ëèñòîê ÷åì-òî |
Ýòî êðàéíå ãëóïî IMHO. Âñÿêèå õîááè è ÷åì âû çàíèìàåøüñÿ â ñâîáîäíîå âðåìÿ èìååò ñìûñë óêàçûâàòü òîëüêî åñëè ýòî èìååò ïðÿìîå îòíîøåíèå ê ïîçèöèè, íà êîòîðóþ ïîäàåòñÿ ðåçþìå, èëè õîòÿ áû ê ýòîé îðãàíèçàöèè. Íàïðèìåð, åñëè áóäóùàÿ ìåäñåñòðà ïèøåò, ÷òî îíà "volunteered at X Hospital" - ýòî ïëþñ. Ïîòåíöèàëüíûé ïðîãðàììèñò â ðåçþìå ïèøåò "I like computer games" - ýòî ÿâíûé äóðàê. Ïèñàòü "ëþáëþ ÷òåíèå è ïðîãóëêè ïîä Ëóíîé" âîîáùå èäèîòèçì. Êîìó ýòî èíòåðåñíî è êàê ýòî äîëæåí âîñïðèíèìàòü ïîòåíöèàëüíûé ðàáîòîäàòåëü? ×òî ÷åëîâåê âìåñòî ðàáîòû áóäåò ñèäåòü è "Òðåõ ìóøêåòåðîâ" ïåðå÷èòûâàòü? Èëè ãóëÿòü ïîéäåò?
Êñòàòè, ñëîâà "adore" è "fond of" âîîáùå óìåñòíû â äíåâíè÷êàõ ìàëåíüêèõ äåâî÷åê, íî íèêàê íå â ðåçþìå. |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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Helen_NJ (): |
À åùå ëó÷øå .rtf - îòêðûâàåòñÿ ëþáûì ðåäàêòîðîì, íî âèðóñ ê íåìó îñîáî íå ïðèëåïèøü. Èëè ìîæíî ïðèëîæèòü è .doc è .txt äëÿ âåðíîñòè. |
Êàê íè ñòðàííî - íåò. ß íåñêîëüêî ðàç ïûòàëñÿ ïîñûëàòü rtf è êàæäûé ðàç ïîëó÷àë îò ðåêðóòåðîâ "send me your resume in Word format, please"
Íå çíàåò áîëüøèíñòâî ëþäåé ÷òî òàêîå rtf è ÷åì îí ëó÷øå doc |
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-E- Íîâè÷îê
: 19.08.2005 : 5 : Ïÿòèãîðñê
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ÿ ëè÷íî ïðîñòî â êîíåö êàæäîãî ïèñüìà äîïèñàë:
The attached resume is in the Portable Document Format (PDF). If you
have any problems opening it, please visit
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html and download free
Adobe Reader®. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 25, 2005 3:42pm : |
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Àãà âìåñòî ïðî÷òåíèÿ ñîòåí äðóãèõ ðåçþìå îí ïîòðàòèò âðåìÿ èìåííî íà òî, ÷òîáû ñêà÷àòü è óñòàíîâèòü ïðîãó... _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Slava ÍËÎ
: 10.03.2003 : 4182 : at this moment Stamford CT
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: , 25, 2005 6:51pm : |
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ß áû íà ìåñòå ðàáîòîäàòåëÿ ïîñëå òàêîãî çàÿâëåíèÿ ïîñëàë áû ýòî äàëåêî è íàäîëãî è ñòàë áû ÷èòàòü ñëåäóþùåå ðåçþìå _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
Expirience comes from bad judgment |
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MaxNero Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 19.04.2005 : 641 : Different city in USA :) -> Moscow, RU -> USA
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Åñëè äëÿ ÑØÀ ðåçþìå - ÿ áû ïîñûëàë â .pdf  øòàòàõ Adobe Reader ñòîèò âåçäå (òàê êàê áåñïëàòíûé Ëþäè ìîãóò íå çíàòü, ÷òî òàêîå pdf, íî îíè êëèêíóò íà ôàéë è îí îòêðîåòñÿ. Íà Ìàêàõ, ïî-ìîåìó, ïîñòàâëÿåòñÿ pdf ðèäåð ïî óìîë÷àíèþ) À âîò MS Office, äàëåêî íå âåçäå(ÿ åùå íå âñòðå÷àë â øòàòàõ êîìïüþòåð áåç AR, à âîò office ñòîèò ïðîöåíòîâ íà 30 ìàøèí. à WordPad â áîëüøèíñòâå ñâîåì îòêðûâàåò êðèâî, èëè âîîáùå íå îòêðûâàåò ). + Ó pdf îòñóòñòâóåò ïðîáëåìà ïî íåñîâìåñòèìîñòè ñî øðèôòàìè è îôîðìëåíèåì (îñîáåííî â ïðèâåäåííîì âûøå ïðèìåðå )
p.s. À âîîáùå ÿ ñòîðîííèê êëàññè÷åñêèõ ðåçþìå - îáùàÿ ôîðìà, ñòàíäàðòíûå øðèôòû ñ íàñå÷êàìè.
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-E- Íîâè÷îê
: 19.08.2005 : 5 : Ïÿòèãîðñê
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Õî÷ó ïîáëàãîäàðèòü âñåõ çà ñîâåòû, ðåêîìåíäàöèè, çäîðîâóþ êðèòèêó!
Ïðèñëóøàâøèñü ê Âàì, ÿ âíåñ íåêîòîðûå èçìåíåíèÿ â ñâîå ðåçþìå è óæå îòîñëàë åãî â 28 àìåðèêàíñêèõ êîìïàíèé è óñïåë ïîëó÷èòü ÷åòûðå îòâåòû (ïðàâäà, ïîêà íè îäíîãî job offer’à ).
Âûíîøó íà Âàø ñóä òî, ÷òî æå ÿ âñå-òàêè ðàññûëàë.
Âîò òàêîå cover letter:
Egor ***
Address: **************, Pyatigorsk,
Stavropol Territory 357500 Russia
Tel: 7 (***) ** ** ***
Email: egor.fgsu@gmail.com
Sunday, August 21, 2005
To whom it may concern:
I am writing to express my interest in employment at “COMPANY
NAME” as a participant of the summer 2006 “Work
& Travel USA” program.
I'll have all necessary documents (Passport, DS-2019 form and J-1
visa) for legal employment in the USA during the summer 2006.
I'm highly motivated, creative, flexible, assiduous and quick on
the uptake student, especially skilled at teamwork, building
effective working relationships and finding innovative solutions.
I believe, that your organization will be able to make me an
attractive offer and I'll do my best to be beneficial for you. As
my resume notes, I have an experience that will help me working for
your company.
If you have any questions, I can be reached at my mail address,
cell phone number or e-mail as listed above.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely, Egor ***
Enclosure: resume (E***Resume.pdf)
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È ïðèêðåïëåííîå ê íåìó ðåçþìå:
Âñå, êòî åäåò â 2006 ãîäó â Àìåðèêó è õî÷åò ïîáîëòàòü îá ýòîì, ïèøèòå ìíå íà ìûëî (ñìîòðèòå â ðåçþìå) èëè íà àñüêó 263-491 (áûâàþ íå î÷åíü ÷àñòî).
È, êîíå÷íî, æäó ñîâåòîâ ïî ïîâîäó ðåçþìå è CV â ýòîé òåìå |
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