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Darien Fawkes Íîâè÷îê
: 18.04.2004 : 12
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: , 24, 2004 10:45am : The number of words I must know |
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How many words I must know to speak free and completely? I know about 1000 words now. Is it enough? : _________________ You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime. Yo! |
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Guessst red attention
: 08.03.2003 : 220 : USA
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: , 24, 2004 2:36pm : |
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It's not about the quantity of words, it is about your ability to build them coherently into sentences. Here is the number of words that the average American secretary both knows, actively, uses and understands. It not to say that your vocabulary is miniscule. No, simply it is easier to see and evaluate your abilities in relation to others.
"David Crystal, in his 1988 book The English Language
(Penguin), describes a moderately sophisticated approach to the
problem (pp. 44-49). He reports a result for a female office
secretary in her fifties, as follows:
words known well: 30,000
words known vaguely: 8,000
words used often: 16,000
words used occasionally: 15,000"
According to others, the average American knows anywhere from 10,000 to 15,000 words. |
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ÁÅËÊÀ Íîâè÷îê
: 26.11.2004 : 12 : St. Pete
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: , 26, 2004 12:57pm : Re: The number of words I must know |
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íå ñìîãëà ïðîéòè ìèìî...
Darien Fawkes (): |
How many words I must know to speak free and completely? I know about 1000 words now. Is it enough? : |
ïðîñòèòå, íî ñóäÿ ïî òîìó êàê Âû èçëàãàåòå íà àíãëèéñêîì, òîé òûñÿ÷è, êîòîðóþ çíàåòå Âû, ßÂÍÎ íå äîñòàòî÷íî, ÷òîáû àäåêâàòíî ðåàãèðîâàòü íà ñèòóàöèþ. Âàì ñòîèòü ïîïîëíèòü ñëîâàðíûé çàïàñ êàê ìèíèìóì â äâà ðàçà, ÷òîáû õîòÿ áû ïðåññó ÷èòàòü (ýòî ñòàòèñòèêà) .
Êóïèòå, äëÿ íà÷àëà, ñëîâàðü, òûñÿ÷ íà 50 ñëîâ, æåëàòåëüíî ìîíîÿçû÷íûé. Áåðèòå íà âîîðóæåíèå ïîñëîâèöû è ïîãîâîðêè, èäèîìû è îáîãîùàéòå ñâîþ ðå÷ü. Èíà÷å áóäåòå êàê Ýëëî÷êà...
çû îáèäåòü íå õîòåëà, ê òîìó æå ïîñò äàâíèé, íî ÒÀÊÀß íàèâíîñòü ïðîñòî ïîðàæàåò, íå ñìîãëà ïðîéòè ìèìî _________________ If things were to be done twice, all would be wise!
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Guessst red attention
: 08.03.2003 : 220 : USA
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: , 26, 2004 8:43pm : |
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ïåðåäóìàëà... |
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003 : 1539 : NC, USA
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: , 27, 2004 5:49am : |
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Ðàç óæ ïîäíÿëè ñòàðóþ òåìó - IMHO ãëàâíîå íå êîëè÷åñòâî ñëîâ, à êàêèå ñëîâà çíàåøü è êàê óìååøü ñ íèìè îáðàùàòüñÿ. Âîîáùå ìîé ïàïà â ñâîé êîðîòêèé ïðèåçä ìóäðî çàìåòèë, ÷òî â ÑØÀ ìîæíî óñïåøíî îáùàòüñÿ ñ ïîìîùüþ âñåãî ëèøü "no", "shit" è "OK". |
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FFresh Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2004 : 470 : Moscow
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: , 27, 2004 6:33am : |
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Slava ÍËÎ
: 10.03.2003 : 4182 : at this moment Stamford CT
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: , 27, 2004 11:09pm : |
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Helen_NJ (): |
Ðàç óæ ïîäíÿëè ñòàðóþ òåìó - IMHO ãëàâíîå íå êîëè÷åñòâî ñëîâ, à êàêèå ñëîâà çíàåøü è êàê óìååøü ñ íèìè îáðàùàòüñÿ. Âîîáùå ìîé ïàïà â ñâîé êîðîòêèé ïðèåçä ìóäðî çàìåòèë, ÷òî â ÑØÀ ìîæíî óñïåøíî îáùàòüñÿ ñ ïîìîùüþ âñåãî ëèøü "no", "shit" è "OK". |
What about fcuk? Btw there is a company in englang that makes close to wear with this brandname. FCUK. How would you read it if you'll see it?
I have a lot of their stuff. T-shirs for example have some slogans like "FCUK IT" or "The best FCUK ever" or "SEX, Drugs and FCUK Roll" _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
Expirience comes from bad judgment |
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Guessst red attention
: 08.03.2003 : 220 : USA
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: , 28, 2004 12:31am : |
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FCUK? Ïîõîæå íà FAQ
-FAQ?
-Yeah, and FAQ you too. |
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Slava ÍËÎ
: 10.03.2003 : 4182 : at this moment Stamford CT
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: , 28, 2004 3:08am : |
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FCUK? Ïîõîæå íà FAQ
-FAQ?
-Yeah, and FAQ you too. |
What are you talking about?
I mentioned F*CK. it's used a lot here. May be not in the magazines _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
Expirience comes from bad judgment |
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Guessst red attention
: 08.03.2003 : 220 : USA
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: , 28, 2004 3:36am : |
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FCUK? Ïîõîæå íà FAQ
-FAQ?
-Yeah, and FAQ you too. |
What are you talking about?
I mentioned F*CK. it's used a lot here. May be not in the magazines |
It is a joke from My Computer Hates Me. FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) sounds somewhat similar to F*CK. That's it. |
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003 : 1539 : NC, USA
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: , 28, 2004 4:06am : |
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Slava (): |
What about fcuk? Btw there is a company in englang that makes close to wear with this brandname. FCUK. How would you read it if you'll see it? |
FCUK (brandname) = French Connection United Kingdom. It's pronounced "ýô ñè þ êåé". |
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Slava ÍËÎ
: 10.03.2003 : 4182 : at this moment Stamford CT
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: , 28, 2004 6:40am : |
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Helen_NJ (): |
Slava (): |
What about fcuk? Btw there is a company in englang that makes close to wear with this brandname. FCUK. How would you read it if you'll see it? |
FCUK (brandname) = French Connection United Kingdom. It's pronounced "ýô ñè þ êåé". |
I know:) I like that brand. They make cool stuff to wear.
It's just everybody reads the label first time not as it written _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
Expirience comes from bad judgment |
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ÁÅËÊÀ Íîâè÷îê
: 26.11.2004 : 12 : St. Pete
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: , 29, 2004 10:03pm : |
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Helen_NJ (): |
... ìîé ïàïà â ñâîé êîðîòêèé ïðèåçä ìóäðî çàìåòèë, ÷òî â ÑØÀ ìîæíî óñïåøíî îáùàòüñÿ ñ ïîìîùüþ âñåãî ëèøü "no", "shit" è "OK". |
Helen, âû ïîíèìàåòå, ÷åëîâåê ÑÅÐܨÇÍÎ ñïðàøèâàåò "ñêîëüêî ñëîâ íàäî çíàòü, ÷òîáû..." :air:
Ñåìü òûñÿ÷ ÷åòûðåñòî òðèäöàòü âîñåìü, èç íèõ 282 ä. á. íà áóêâó "A", 304 - íà áóêâó "Â", 259 - íà áóêâó "Ñ" and so on... _________________ If things were to be done twice, all would be wise!
: ÁÅËÊÀ (, 29, 2004 10:12pm), 1 |
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ÁÅËÊÀ Íîâè÷îê
: 26.11.2004 : 12 : St. Pete
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: , 29, 2004 10:09pm : Re: The number of words I must know |
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Darien Fawkes (): |
How many words I must know to speak free and completely? I know about 1000 words now. Is it enough? : |
À âàì, ñîáñòâåííî, õâàòàåò? Âàñ ïîíèìàþò?..
Åñëè ñîáåðåòåñü åùå ãäå-íèáóäü ñïðîñèòü, çàìåíèòå õîòÿ áû free and completely íà fairly well, fluently, be good at English è èæå ñ íèìè. _________________ If things were to be done twice, all would be wise! |
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 13.11.2003 : 1539 : NC, USA
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: , 30, 2004 1:56am : |
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ÁÅËÊÀ (): |
Helen, âû ïîíèìàåòå, ÷åëîâåê ÑÅÐܨÇÍÎ ñïðàøèâàåò "ñêîëüêî ñëîâ íàäî çíàòü, ÷òîáû..." :air: |
Äà ÷åãî âû òàê ðàçâîëíîâàëèñü? Òîïèê-òî ñòàðûé, åùå ñ àïðåëÿ - ìîæåò òîãî ÷åëîâåêà ñ íàìè óæå è íåò (â ñìûñëå íà ôîðóìå)... Êñòàòè, â Oxford Dictionary for English Learners íà ïîëíîì ñåðüåçå â êîíöå åñòü ñïèñîê ñëîâ, êîòîðûå òèïà "äîëæåí çíàòü êàæäûé". ß, ïðàâäà, èõ íå ñ÷èòàëà, íî ïîõîæå, ÷òî òàì äàæå ìåíüøå òûñÿ÷è áóäåò.
Ìåíÿ âîò áîëüøå óäèâëÿåò, ÷òî íå ëåíü ÷åëîâåêó ïåðåñ÷èòûâàòü, ñêîëüêî ñëîâ çíàåò. Òàêîå áû ðâåíèå äà íà áëàãîå äåëî... |
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Þëå÷êèíà Ñåñòðà Íîâè÷îê
: 04.04.2009 : 18 : Russia
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: , 9, 2009 5:48am : |
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2,500 - 3,000 ñëîâ àêòèâíîãî çàïàñà äîëæåí çíàòü ïåðåâîä÷èê. Ðàçäåëèòå ýòî ïðèìåðíî íà 3 è ýòîãî áóäåò äîñòàòî÷íî äëÿ ïðîñòîãî "ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ". Òî åñòü îêîëî 1,000 ñëîâ _________________
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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: , 9, 2009 7:28am : |
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Þëå÷êèíà Ñåñòðà (): |
2,500 - 3,000 ñëîâ àêòèâíîãî çàïàñà äîëæåí çíàòü ïåðåâîä÷èê. Ðàçäåëèòå ýòî ïðèìåðíî íà 3 è ýòîãî áóäåò äîñòàòî÷íî äëÿ ïðîñòîãî "ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ". Òî åñòü îêîëî 1,000 ñëîâ |
Áîãàòûé ñëîâàðíûé çàïàñ âñ¸ ðàâíî íèêîìó íå ïîìåøàåò. Íó è åùå ñìîòðÿ äëÿ êàêèõ öåëåé. Ó ìåíÿ åñòü äèñê "Êóðñ Èëîíû Äàâûäîâîé". È òàì äîâîëüíî òîëêîâûå óðîêè.  èíñòðóêöèè íàïèñàíî, ÷òî ïîñëå ïðîñëóøèâàíèÿ 18 óðîêîâ (30-60 ìèíóò êàæäûé) ïî 20 ðàç ó ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ áóäåò ñëîâàðíûé çàïàñ â 500 ñëîâ è óìåíèå ýòè ñëîâà ïðèåíÿòü. Ñóäÿ ïî äâóì óðîêàì, ýòî ïðàâäà.
Íî ñóäÿ ïî ïðåäëîæåííûì òåìàì, ýòîãî õâàòèò äëÿ áåñïðîáëåìíîãî áûòîâîãî îáùåíèÿ, íî ìîæåò íå õâàòèòü äëÿ èíòåðâüþ íà äîëæíîñòü ïðîãðàììèñòà, íàïðèìåð. Õîòÿ ÿ íå áûë íà àìåðèêàíñêîì èíòåðâüþ, íî ïî-ðóññêè íà ìíîãèå âàæíûå âîïðîñû ëþáëþ îòâå÷àòü ðàçâåðíóòî. |
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Slava ÍËÎ
: 10.03.2003 : 4182 : at this moment Stamford CT
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: , 9, 2009 9:50pm : |
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À êàê âîîáùå ëþäè ïîäñ÷èòûâàþò ñêîëüêî ñëîâ îíè çíàþò è ñêîëüêî èñïîëüçóþò? _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
Expirience comes from bad judgment |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 9, 2009 9:57pm : |
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Slava (): |
À êàê âîîáùå ëþäè ïîäñ÷èòûâàþò ñêîëüêî ñëîâ îíè çíàþò è ñêîëüêî èñïîëüçóþò? |
Ìíå òîæå âñåãäà èíòåðåñíî áûëî _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Þëå÷êèíà Ñåñòðà Íîâè÷îê
: 04.04.2009 : 18 : Russia
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: , 10, 2009 6:54am : |
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À êàê âîîáùå ëþäè ïîäñ÷èòûâàþò ñêîëüêî ñëîâ îíè çíàþò è ñêîëüêî èñïîëüçóþò? |
íó, äëÿ ýòîãî ëèãâèñòû ïðîâîäÿò ñïåöèàëüíûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ, ñîçäàþò îïðîñû. Îíè óæå äàâíî ïîäñ÷èòàëè, ÷òî õîðîøèé ïåðåâîä÷èê äîëæåí âëàäåòü 3,000 ñëîâ. Êîëè÷åñòâî ñëîâ íà èíîñòðàííîì ÿçûêå óçíàòü íå òàê ñëîæíî (ïðèáëèçèòåëüíî, äëÿ ñåáÿ). Åñëè âû ìîæåòå ãîâîðèòü ðàçâåðíóòî, ñî ñëîæíîïîä÷èíåííûìè êîíñòðóêöèÿìè, ïðè ýòîì èñïîëüçóÿ áîãàòóþ ëåêñèêó, ðàçíîîáðàçíóþ, ïî øèðîêîìó ðÿäó òåì, òî çíàåòå âû 1,500 ñëîâ òàê òî÷íî. _________________
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