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Olga
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: 05.03.2003
: 97
: Ðèãà - Ìîñêâà

: , 27, 2004 12:56pm     :

Ïðèçíàòüñÿ, äîâîëüíî òðóäíî ÷èòàòü ïîñòû íà àíãëèéñêîì ÿçûêå íà ôîðóìå.
Áîëåå òîãî, ìíå êæàåòñÿ, íåò ñìûñëà èñïðàâëÿòü îøèáêè â ðàçãîâîðå, â ñâîáîäíîì îáùåíèè - îäíî äåëî ñïðîñèòü, êàê áóäåò ñêàçàòü è çàïîìíèòü ïðàâèëî, äðóãîå äåëî ïðîñòî âûðàçèòü ñâîþ ìûñëü, à òóò âñå íàêèäûâàþòñÿ ñ èñïðàâëåíèÿìè.

Òåìà, òåì íå ìåíåå, èíòåðåñíàÿ, ìîæåò, äèñêóññèþ íàïðàâèòü â íåñêîëüêî äðóãîå ðóñëî - áîëåå òåîðèòèçîðîâàííîå, ÷òî ëè.

Íàïðèìåð, âñå çíàþò ñî øêîëû sit down! Ìîæíî ëè ñêàçàòü sit up!, íàïðèìåð. Êàêèå åùå âàðèàíòû ìîæíî óïîòðåáèòü (â ïðèêàçå=ïîâåëèòåëüíîì íàêëîíåíèè) è â êàêèõ ñèòóàöèÿõ.

ÌÎæíî ëè ñêàçàòü (êàê ó ìåíÿ íà ýêçàìåíå ïðèìåð áûë -íãàäî áûëî îòêðûòü ñêîáî÷êè, ïîñòàâèâ ãëàãîë â íóæíîå âðåìÿ)- she (sit down) on the floor: She sat down èëè she was sitting down?
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Andrew
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: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

: , 27, 2004 2:30pm     :

I have real problems with theory and I don’t know how to say Ñòûäíî
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Olga
Ýêñïåðò


: 05.03.2003
: 97
: Ðèãà - Ìîñêâà

: , 27, 2004 2:34pm     :

íó ýòî äîâîëüíî ïðèêëàäíàÿ òåîðåòèêà
Äàâàé äóìàéÓëûáêà
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Andrew
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: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

: , 27, 2004 4:08pm     :

Olga ():
íó ýòî äîâîëüíî ïðèêëàäíàÿ òåîðåòèêà
Äàâàé äóìàéÓëûáêà

Maybe both of them? Óëûáêà
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Guessst
red attention


: 08.03.2003
: 220
: USA

: , 28, 2004 5:44am     :

Hi guys, it seems like the new forum is quite popular. I am back from my vacation in California and I have a couple of questions for those people who have digital cameras. It seems like mine has kicked the bucket. But I guess, I should open a new topic to discuss this issue.

Oluna, why such hostility? It really does not matter how accurate LINGVO is.

Olga ():
Íàïðèìåð, âñå çíàþò ñî øêîëû sit down! Ìîæíî ëè ñêàçàòü sit up!, íàïðèìåð. Êàêèå åùå âàðèàíòû ìîæíî óïîòðåáèòü (â ïðèêàçå=ïîâåëèòåëüíîì íàêëîíåíèè) è â êàêèõ ñèòóàöèÿõ.


Can it be that "sit up" is less of a command as compared to "sit down"?

Olga ():
ÌÎæíî ëè ñêàçàòü (êàê ó ìåíÿ íà ýêçàìåíå ïðèìåð áûë -íãàäî áûëî îòêðûòü ñêîáî÷êè, ïîñòàâèâ ãëàãîë â íóæíîå âðåìÿ)- she (sit down) on the floor: She sat down èëè she was sitting down?


It depends on the context, if you want to stress the duration of some action, you use the present continuous.

PS. There ARE a lot of people.
Andrew
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: 01.03.2003
: 10421
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: , 28, 2004 6:05am     :

Guessst ():
But I guess, I should open a new topic to discuss this issue.

Here is topic about digital cameras: www.usaforyou.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=396
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Olga
Ýêñïåðò


: 05.03.2003
: 97
: Ðèãà - Ìîñêâà

: , 28, 2004 3:59pm     :

ßçûê -äåëî äèíàìè÷íîå, îñîáåííî àíãëèéñêèé. Ìíîãîå çàâèñèò îò ñèòóàöèè, â êîòîðîé ãîâîðèòñÿ ôðàçà.

Ñìîòðèòå, åñëè ÷åëîâåê ñòîèò, òî ÷òîáû ñåñòü, åìó íàäî ñäåëàòü sit down. À åñëè ëåæèò (â ïîñòåëè áîëüíîå ëåæèò, åìó âîäû ïðèíåñëè), òîãäà åìó íàäî ñäåëàòü sit up.
Âîò è âñÿ ðàçíèöà!

Íàñ÷åò îòêðûâàíèÿ ñêîáî÷åê: She was sitting down ñêàçàòü ìîæíî, íî ñèòóàöèÿ áóäåò òàêàÿ: äåâóøêà ñòîÿëà, ïîòîì óâèäåëà êðàñèâóþ áàáî÷êó è îñòîðîæíî, ÷òîáû íå ñïóãíóòü ìå-å-äëåííî ñòàëà ñàäèòüñÿ (íà ïîë/íà ñòóë, ò.ä.). Ñèòóàöèÿ âåðîÿòíàÿ, íî ðåäêî âñòðå÷àþùàÿñÿ.

Ëîãè÷íåå ñêàçàòü She sat down, íàâåðíÿêà äåâóøêà áûëà íîðìàëüíà è ñêîðîñòü ðåàêöèé ó íåå áûëà àäåêâàòíàÿ. Ò.å. îíà ñåëà íà ïîë è ñòàëà ÷åì-òî çàíèìàòüñÿ (äà õîòü ñèäåòü!)


Åùå âîïðîñ çíàòîêàì. Êàê áóäåò ñêàçàòü "Âêëþ÷èòü"/""Âûêëþ÷èòü"?
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Àðòåì
Ìîäåðàòîð


: 10.03.2003
: 8295
: Russia, Ufa

: , 28, 2004 4:17pm     :

Olga ():
ßçûê -äåëî äèíàìè÷íîå, îñîáåííî àíãëèéñêèé. Ìíîãîå çàâèñèò îò ñèòóàöèè, â êîòîðîé ãîâîðèòñÿ ôðàçà.

Ñìîòðèòå, åñëè ÷åëîâåê ñòîèò, òî ÷òîáû ñåñòü, åìó íàäî ñäåëàòü sit down. À åñëè ëåæèò (â ïîñòåëè áîëüíîå ëåæèò, åìó âîäû ïðèíåñëè), òîãäà åìó íàäî ñäåëàòü sit up.
Âîò è âñÿ ðàçíèöà!


À ïî÷åìó áû íå ñêàçàòü ïðîñòî "sit"? Ñ òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ëîãèêè ïîäîøëî áû è ê òîìó è ê äðóãîìó ñëó÷àþ. Íåò, âñå òàêè ñëîâîîáðàçîâàíèå - øòóêà ïîä÷àñ ìàëîïîíÿòíàÿ.
Guessst
red attention


: 08.03.2003
: 220
: USA

: , 28, 2004 4:20pm     :

Olga ():

Åùå âîïðîñ çíàòîêàì. Êàê áóäåò ñêàçàòü "Âêëþ÷èòü"/""Âûêëþ÷èòü"?


Turn on the light
Turn off the light
Turn up the volume
Reduce the volume
Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

: , 28, 2004 10:59pm     :

Olga ():
Åùå âîïðîñ çíàòîêàì. Êàê áóäåò ñêàçàòü "Âêëþ÷èòü"/""Âûêëþ÷èòü"?

In different situations is difference Óëûáêà

P. S. Thanks for lessons Óëûáêà
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Olga
Ýêñïåðò


: 05.03.2003
: 97
: Ðèãà - Ìîñêâà

: , 29, 2004 9:29am     :

Guessst ():
Olga ():

Åùå âîïðîñ çíàòîêàì. Êàê áóäåò ñêàçàòü "Âêëþ÷èòü"/""Âûêëþ÷èòü"?


Turn on the light
Turn off the light
Turn up the volume
Reduce the volume


Åñòü åùå âàðèàíòû (è ñî ñâåòîì, è ñî çâóêîì)

Îïÿòü-òàêè íåëüçÿ ñêàçàòü îäíîçíà÷íî, âñå çàâèñèò îò êîíòåêñòà.

Êàê, íàïðèìåð, ôàêñ âêëþ÷èòü. èëè êîìïüþòåð?
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Olga
Ýêñïåðò


: 05.03.2003
: 97
: Ðèãà - Ìîñêâà

: , 29, 2004 9:32am     :

Àðòåì ():


À ïî÷åìó áû íå ñêàçàòü ïðîñòî "sit"? Ñ òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ëîãèêè ïîäîøëî áû è ê òîìó è ê äðóãîìó ñëó÷àþ. Íåò, âñå òàêè ñëîâîîáðàçîâàíèå - øòóêà ïîä÷àñ ìàëîïîíÿòíàÿ.


Áóäåòå óäèâëåíû, ïðîñòî SIT òîæå ìîæíî ñêàçàòü. Åñëè ÷åëîâåê óæå ñèäèò è çàäà÷à âûñêàçûâàíèÿ íå ïîçâîëèòü åìó âñòàòü/ëå÷ü.

Àíãëèéñêèé - î÷åíü ãèáêèé. Ìûñëÿò îíè ôóíêöèîíàëüíî. Ñëîâ îòíîñèòåëüíî íåìíîãî, íî â êîìáèíàöèÿõ ïîëó÷àåòñÿ äîâîëüíî ãèáêî ìîæíî ñêàçàòü.
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Doxx
US Patriot


: 14.06.2003
: 2082
: Ulyanovsk, Russia

: , 29, 2004 6:52pm     :

Guessst ():
Olga ():

Åùå âîïðîñ çíàòîêàì. Êàê áóäåò ñêàçàòü "Âêëþ÷èòü"/""Âûêëþ÷èòü"?


Turn on the light
Turn off the light
Turn up the volume
Reduce the volume

Add-on:
Switch on
Switch off
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Ñäåëàé ñâîþ ìå÷òó öåëüþ. /Doxx/ ß ëþáëþ ÑØÀ!
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Helen_NJ
Æèòåëü ôîðóìà


: 13.11.2003
: 1539
: NC, USA

: , 30, 2004 1:22am     :

Guessst ():
Turn on the light
Turn off the light
Turn up the volume
Reduce the volume


Òîãäà óæ turn down the volume. Êîãäà, íàïðèìåð, êîãî-òî ïðîñÿò áûòü ïîòèøå, òî ãîâîðÿò "Could you keep it down, please?".
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Olga
Ýêñïåðò


: 05.03.2003
: 97
: Ðèãà - Ìîñêâà

: , 30, 2004 9:15pm     :

Äåéñòâèòåëüíî, òàê êàê ãðîìêîñòü ðàíüøå êðóòèëè (ñåé÷àñ åùå íà íåêîòîðûõ ïðèåìíèêàõ îñòàëîñü êîëåñèêî äëÿ ðåãóëèðîâêè ãðîìêîñòè), ñåé÷àñ ãîâîðÿò turn it up/turn it down- ñäåëàé ïîãðîì÷å\ïîòèøå.

Àíàëîãè÷íî ñ turn it on/off -åñëè ÷òîáû âêëþ÷èòü èëè âûêë÷èòü <name of device>, íóæíî ïîêðóòèòü êîëåñèêî, òîãäà ìû åãî turn on/off.

Êàê ïðàâèëî, ñâåò âêëþ÷àåòñÿ âûêëþ÷àòåëåì òèïà òóìáëåð. Ù¸ëê è âñå. ÒÓáëåð íàçûâàåòñÿ a switch, ñîîòâåòñâåííî, âêëþ÷àåì -â ÷àñòíîñòè, ñâåò -switch on\off.

Òåõíèêå åùå ìîæíî äåëàòü shut down.

Î÷åðåäíîé âîïðîñ (åñëè èíòåðåñíî ïðîäîëæàòü, åññíîÓëûáêà

Open a window èëè open the window?
My mom works at a hospital èëè my mom work at the hospital?
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Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


: 01.03.2003
: 10421
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: , 30, 2004 9:51pm     :

Olga ():
Open a window èëè open the window?

Open the window. But I can’t explain why I think so Óëûáêà

P.S. I shared this topic.
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Slava
ÍËÎ


: 10.03.2003
: 4182
: at this moment Stamford CT

: , 30, 2004 11:17pm     :

Andrew ():
Olga ():
Open a window èëè open the window?

Open the window. But I can’t explain why I think so Óëûáêà

P.S. I shared this topic.


I think you can say "open a window" when you don't care wich one will be opened. Just open any window.

If you want to have opened this particular window than you should say "open the window". And probably ention wich one
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Andrew
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: 01.03.2003
: 10421
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: , 31, 2004 4:42am     :

Thanks Slava! Óëûáêà I understand now.
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Olga
Ýêñïåðò


: 05.03.2003
: 97
: Ðèãà - Ìîñêâà

: , 31, 2004 8:42am     :

Andrew ():
Open a window èëè open the window?




Íó, â ïðèíöèïå, âåðíî, åñëè âû â êîìíàòå, ãäå îêíî îäíî, âûáèðàòü, ñîáññíî, íå èç ÷åãî, òîãäà ãîâîðèì open the(=this) window.
À åñëè â àóäèòîðèè íà ëåêöèè âàøåé äåâóøêå ñòàëî äóðíî, âû ãðîìêî ñêàæåòå open [i]a window [/i]-îêîí îáû÷íî íåñêîëüêî â áîëüøèõ ïîìåùåíèÿõ âàñ íå âîëíóåò, êàêîå èìåííî îòêðîþò, ó âàñ äåâóøêà çàäûõàåòñÿ è áëåäíååò.

à ÷òî ñ hospital?

Andrew ():

P.S. I shared this topic.

ÿ áû ñêàçàëà I 've split the topic.

Shared - äåëèòüñÿ ÷åì-òî ñ êåì-òî. Êâàðòèðó ìîæíî share, åñëè âäâîåì ñíèìàòü, ìîæíî ÿáëîêî share, ïðîãðàììû íàçûâàþòñÿ shareware, ïîòîìó ÷òî àâòîð êàê áû äåëèòñÿ ñâîåé ðàáîòîé.

à split - ýòî òèïà ïîïîëàì ïåðåëîìàòü, ñëîìàòü, ðàçäåëèòü.
Banana Split - â Áàñêèí Ðîááèíñå åñòü òàêàÿ âåùü. î÷åíü âêóñíàÿ!
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Andrew
Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷


: 01.03.2003
: 10421
: Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US

: , 31, 2004 10:05am     :

Olga ():
ÿ áû ñêàçàëà I 've split the topic.

Shared - äåëèòüñÿ ÷åì-òî ñ êåì-òî. Êâàðòèðó ìîæíî share, åñëè âäâîåì ñíèìàòü, ìîæíî ÿáëîêî share, ïðîãðàììû íàçûâàþòñÿ shareware, ïîòîìó ÷òî àâòîð êàê áû äåëèòñÿ ñâîåé ðàáîòîé.

à split - ýòî òèïà ïîïîëàì ïåðåëîìàòü, ñëîìàòü, ðàçäåëèòü.
Banana Split - â Áàñêèí Ðîááèíñå åñòü òàêàÿ âåùü. î÷åíü âêóñíàÿ!

Thanks, Olga! Óëûáêà

What the difference in words “Could” and “Can”? Is “Could” friendlier? I know about it only from practice, but it’s interesting to know theory Óëûáêà
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