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: 10.03.2003
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: , 28, 2008 6:15am     : Òðàíñëèòåðàöèÿ ôàìèëèé è ïåðåâîä äîëæíîñòåé

Äàëè âîò ìíå òóò çàäàíèå: òàáëè÷êè ïåðåâåñòè íà àíãëèéñêèé.

ß îòâåòèë, ÷òî íèôèãà íå ïåðåâîä÷èê, îäíàêî "íó óæ êàê-íèáóäü" ïîïðîñèëè ñäåëàòü. ×òîáû "óæ êàê-íèáóäü" ïîëó÷èëîñü ïîëó÷øå Óëûáêà , îáðàùàþñü çà ñîâåòîì. Óëûáêà

Âî-ïåðâûõ, èìåíà-ôàìèëèè. Â îáùåì, òóò âñå ïîíÿòíî, òîëüêî ñìóùàþò íåêîòîðûå ìîìåíòû. Äåéñòâèòåëüíî ëè "É" è "ß" òðàíñëèòåðèðóþòñÿ êàê JI è JA? ß ðàíüøå âñåãäà äóìàë, ÷òî YA.

Òî åñòü, "Ðàçÿïîâíà" ïðàâèëüíî ïåðåâåñòè òàê: "Razjapovna"?
À "Þðüåâíà" - "Jurevna"?
Ïðàâèëüíî ëè ϸòð ïåðåâîäèòü êàê Peter? Èëè ëó÷øå îñòàâèòü Petr?
"Èëüè÷" ïîñëå òðàíñëèòåðàöèè ñîâåðøåííî íå ÷èòàåòñÿ è íå âîñïðèíèìàåòñÿ - Ilich. Òàê è îñòàâëÿòü ïðèäåòñÿ?


Òåïåðü ìîìåíòû ïîñëîæíåå. Óëûáêà Ïåðåâîä íåêîòîðûõ äîëæíîñòåé.

"Ãëàâíûé òåõíîëîã" ÿ ïåðåâåë êàê "Chief Process Engineer".
"Äèðåêòîð ïî êà÷åñòâó", "ëàáîðàòîðèÿ ôèçèêî-õèìè÷åñêèõ èñïûòàíèé" è "áàêëàáîðàòîðèÿ" ÿ âîîáùå íèêàê íå ñìîã ïåðåâåñòè.


À âîò ýòî ëåãêîå, íî ÿ òîæå íå óâåðåí, êàê íàäî:
"ïîñòîðîííèì âõîä âîñïðåùåí"
"ìîå÷íàÿ"
White Owl
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Ïî òðàíñëèòó ÷èòàòü òóò è òóò

Èìåíà ëó÷øå òðàícëèòèðèðîâàòü ÷åì áðàòü àíàëîãè÷íîå èìÿ èç äðóãîãî ÿçûêà, íî òóò ïîëåçíî áóäåò ïðîñòî ñïðîñèòü ó ñàìèõ ýòèõ ëþäåé. Ìîæåøü åùå ïîïðîñèòü ïîñìîòðåòü êàê ó íèõ â îôèöèàëüíûõ äîêóìåíòàõ íàïèñàíî (â çàãðàíïàñïîðòå òàì èëè ïðàâàõ ìåæäóíàðîäíûõ).
Èëüè÷ îáû÷íî òðàíñëèòåðèðóåòñÿ êàê Ilyich. Íó ïîãóãëè Ëåíèíà íàïðèìåð Óëûáêà

Ïåðåâîä äîëæíîñòåé.... Ýòî äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñàìàÿ ñëîæíàÿ ÷àñòü. Òóò ÿ ñàì â çàòðóäíåíèÿõ...
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Ïî òðàíñëèòó ÷èòàòü òóò è òóò


Î! Ãðàí ìåðñè! Óëûáêà

Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî ÿ, çíà÷èò, òîæå ïðàâèëüíî äóìàë. Ìîæíî è JA è YA. Îáà âàðèàíòà ïðîõîäÿò.

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Èìåíà ëó÷øå òðàícëèòèðèðîâàòü ÷åì áðàòü àíàëîãè÷íîå èìÿ èç äðóãîãî ÿçûêà, íî òóò ïîëåçíî áóäåò ïðîñòî ñïðîñèòü ó ñàìèõ ýòèõ ëþäåé. Ìîæåøü åùå ïîïðîñèòü ïîñìîòðåòü êàê ó íèõ â îôèöèàëüíûõ äîêóìåíòàõ íàïèñàíî (â çàãðàíïàñïîðòå òàì èëè ïðàâàõ ìåæäóíàðîäíûõ).


Âî, ïîñîâåòóþ òîé æåíùèíå, êîòîðàÿ ìíå ýòî äåëî ïîðó÷èëà, ó íèõ è ñïðîñèòü. Óëûáêà

ß èì ïîñîâåòîâàë íàíÿòü ïðîôåññèîíàëüíîãî ïåðåâîä÷èêà, íî ýòîò âàðèàíò èì ïî÷åìó-òî íå íðàâèòñÿ. Ïîäêàëûâàþ

White Owl ():

Èëüè÷ îáû÷íî òðàíñëèòåðèðóåòñÿ êàê Ilyich. Íó ïîãóãëè Ëåíèíà íàïðèìåð Óëûáêà


Òî÷íî! Êàê ýòî ÿ Ëåíèíà òî ïîçàáûë. Ïî÷òà, òåëåãðàô... Ìàóçåð. Ïîäêàëûâàþ

Ilyich ìíå áîëüøå íðàâèòñÿ, ÷åì Ilich. Ó ñàìîãî Èëüè÷à ñïðàøèâàòü íå õî÷åòñÿ. Îí çàíÿò î÷åíü, åùå íà÷íåò âîð÷àòü. Äèðåêòîð âñå-òàêè. Óëûáêà

White Owl ():

Ïåðåâîä äîëæíîñòåé.... Ýòî äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñàìàÿ ñëîæíàÿ ÷àñòü. Òóò ÿ ñàì â çàòðóäíåíèÿõ...


Íó òóò ÿ íàäåþñü, ÷òî, ìîæåò áûòü, íàéäóòñÿ ëþäè, êîòîðûå â Àìåðèêå (èëè â Áðèòàíèè - Áðèòàíèÿ äàæå ïðåäïî÷òèòåëüíåé, ïîòîìó ÷òî íàø ñàìûé ãëàâíûé øåô êàê ðàç øîòëàíäåö) ðàáîòàþò íà ïðåäïðèÿòèÿõ, ãäå åñòü òàêèå äîëæíîñòè. È îíè ïðîñòî ýòî çíàþò, ïîòîìó ÷òî ñòàëêèâàþòñÿ åæåäíåâíî. Óëûáêà

Ñïàñèáî, White Owl! Óëûáêà
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: , 28, 2008 8:33pm     :

Working in corporate America came across such titles:

"Ãëàâíûé òåõíîëîã" ÿ ïåðåâåë êàê "Chief Process Engineer".
can be called ''Senior Process Engineer''


"Äèðåêòîð ïî êà÷åñòâó", can be:'' Q.C Engineer-''Quality Control Engineer. ( never heard Director)


ëàáîðàòîðèÿ ôèçèêî-õèìè÷åñêèõ èñïûòàíèé" -can be Chemistry &Physics Lab

áàêëàáîðàòîðèÿ" I doubt if it's correct, may be'' back up Lab''?

ïîñòîðîííèì âõîä âîñïðåùåí" Often seen on doors similar ''Authorized Personell Only!

ìîå÷íàÿ"- can be many things
Washing Station- Parts Washing Station- Emergency Eye Washing Station

Hope it helped.
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Genady ():
Working in corporate America came across such titles:

"Ãëàâíûé òåõíîëîã" ÿ ïåðåâåë êàê "Chief Process Engineer".
can be called ''Senior Process Engineer''

"Äèðåêòîð ïî êà÷åñòâó", can be:'' Q.C Engineer-''Quality Control Engineer. ( never heard Director)


À, âîò, äà. Ñïàñèáî! Óëûáêà

Genady ():

ëàáîðàòîðèÿ ôèçèêî-õèìè÷åñêèõ èñïûòàíèé" -can be Chemistry &Physics Lab


Òîæå, äóìàþ, èäåàëüíî ïîäõîäèò!

Genady ():

áàêëàáîðàòîðèÿ" I doubt if it's correct, may be'' back up Lab''?


Íå-å... Áýêàï òóò íè ïðè ÷åì. Óëûáêà Ýòî ëàáîðàòîðèÿ, ãäå ïðîâåðÿþò, ñêîêà â ìîëîêå áàêòåðèé è êàêèõ. Òî åñòü, áàêòåðèàëüíàÿ (ñóäÿ ïî âñåìó) ëàáîðàòîðèÿ. Îíè áëèí "ìîëîäöû" - ìíå æå äàëè ñîêðàùåííîå íàçâàíèå. Óëûáêà

Genady ():

ïîñòîðîííèì âõîä âîñïðåùåí" Often seen on doors similar ''Authorized Personell Only!


À ïðîñòî "Personell Only" ïèøóò? Èëè ñòðîãî ñî ñëîâîì "'Authorized"?

Genady ():

ìîå÷íàÿ"- can be many things
Washing Station- Parts Washing Station- Emergency Eye Washing Station


ß ïîäîçðåâàþ, ÷òî â ìîå÷íîé ìîþò èíñòðóìåíò èç ëàáîðàòîðèè. Õîòÿ è íå óâåðåí.  òàêîì ñëó÷àå, íàâåðíîå, ëó÷øå âñåãî ïîäõîäèò "Washing Room"? Õîòÿ íà çàâîäå åñòü åùå è ïðà÷å÷íàÿ, ãäå ñòèðàþò ñïåöîäåæäó. È ýòî ñîâñåì äðóãàÿ øòóêà, íå ìîå÷íàÿ.

Genady ():

Hope it helped.


Ãðàí ìåðñè! Ïîìîæåò, êîíå÷íî. Óëûáêà
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Àðòåì ():
Äåéñòâèòåëüíî ëè "É" è "ß" òðàíñëèòåðèðóþòñÿ êàê JI è JA? ß ðàíüøå âñåãäà äóìàë, ÷òî YA.


Òðàíñëèò <> àíãëèéñêèé. Ðàçÿïîâíà -> Razjapovna (Translit) -> Razyapovna èëè äàæå ñêîðåå Raziapovna (English). Íå çàáûâàéòå, ÷òî "J" â àíãëèéñêîì - ýòî "äæåé", à íå "é". Íàïðèìåð, Jelena ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ êàê "äæèëèíà", à Yelena êàê "éèëèíà" Óëûáêà , õîòÿ ýòî îôèöèàëüíîå íàïèñàíèå â ïàñïîðòå ó áîëüøèíñòâà Åëåí. Ïî áîëüøîìó ñ÷åòó íàäî ïèñàòü Yelyena, òîãäà áóäåò "éåëúåíà".

À âîò, íàïðèìåð, íàñ÷åò Ñåðãååâ ïîõîæå êîíñåíñóñà íåò, ò.ê. âñòðå÷àëà âàðèàíòû Sergey, Sergei è Serghei, íî îíè âñå ïðîèçíîñÿòñÿ îäèíàêîâî - "ñ¨ðãåé". Óëûáêà

Ïîìíèòñÿ â ïðîøëîì ãîäó â ÑØÀ àðåñòîâàëè êàêîãî-òî ñåðáñêîãî äåÿòåëÿ ïî èìåíè Áîãîëþá (Bogoljub). Àìåðèêàíöû åãî îáîçâàëè "Áîãëäæàá" - ÿ ÷óòü ñ äèâàíà íå ñâàëèëàñü ñî ñìåõó. Ñìåõ

:
Ïðàâèëüíî ëè ϸòð ïåðåâîäèòü êàê Peter? Èëè ëó÷øå îñòàâèòü Petr?


Âîîáùå-òî ïðàâèëüíî áóäåò Pyotr.

"Ãëàâíûé òåõíîëîã" ÿ ïåðåâåë êàê "Chief Process Engineer".

Ïî-ìîåìó ïåðåâîä ïðàâèëüíûé. "Senior" - ýòî ñêîðåå "ñòàðøèé". Senior'îâ ìîæåò áûòü ìíîãî, à Chief - îäèí! Óëûáêà

:
"áàêëàáîðàòîðèÿ"


Bacteriology Lab(oratory) / Bacteriological Analysis Lab(oratory)

:
"ïîñòîðîííèì âõîä âîñïðåùåí"


Authorized Personnel Only / Employees Only - âûáèðàéòå â çàâèñèìîñòè îò êîíêðåòíîé ñèòóàöèè.
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Helen_NJ ():
Àðòåì ():
Äåéñòâèòåëüíî ëè "É" è "ß" òðàíñëèòåðèðóþòñÿ êàê JI è JA? ß ðàíüøå âñåãäà äóìàë, ÷òî YA.


Òðàíñëèò <> àíãëèéñêèé.


À-à, òî åñòü, åùå è ðàçíûå ïðàâèëà... ÓæÎñ. Óëûáêà

À òàáëè÷êè íà äâåðÿõ â ðîññèéñêèõ çàâåäåíèÿõ, èíòåðåñíî, ïèñàòü íàäî íà àíãëèéñêîì èëè íà òðàíñëèòå.

Ñàìîå çàáàâíîå, ÷òî êîìïàíèÿ ñïëîøü ðîññèéñêàÿ, íî 10 èëè 20% àêöèé ïðèíàäëåæàò èíîñòðàíöàì è êðóòÿòñÿ íà Íüþ-Éîðêñêîé áèðæå, âûñøåå ðóêîâîäñòâî - èíîñòðàíöû (íàíÿòûå), è îò÷åòû îíè òðåáóþò íà àíãëèéñêîì ÿçûêå (ðóññêîãî íå çíàþò). Òåïåðü âîò äî òàáëè÷åê äîáðàëèñü. Óëûáêà

Helen_NJ ():

Ðàçÿïîâíà -> Razjapovna (Translit) -> Razyapovna èëè äàæå ñêîðåå Raziapovna (English). Íå çàáûâàéòå, ÷òî "J" â àíãëèéñêîì - ýòî "äæåé", à íå "é". Íàïðèìåð, Jelena ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ êàê "äæèëèíà", à Yelena êàê "éèëèíà" Óëûáêà , õîòÿ ýòî îôèöèàëüíîå íàïèñàíèå â ïàñïîðòå ó áîëüøèíñòâà Åëåí. Ïî áîëüøîìó ñ÷åòó íàäî ïèñàòü Yelyena, òîãäà áóäåò "éåëúåíà".


À-à, ïîíÿòíî.

Helen_NJ ():

Ïîìíèòñÿ â ïðîøëîì ãîäó â ÑØÀ àðåñòîâàëè êàêîãî-òî ñåðáñêîãî äåÿòåëÿ ïî èìåíè Áîãîëþá (Bogoljub). Àìåðèêàíöû åãî îáîçâàëè "Áîãëäæàá" - ÿ ÷óòü ñ äèâàíà íå ñâàëèëàñü ñî ñìåõó. Ñìåõ


Áîãëäæàá?! Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà Ñìåõ Îòïàä. Óëûáêà

Helen_NJ ():

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Ïðàâèëüíî ëè ϸòð ïåðåâîäèòü êàê Peter? Èëè ëó÷øå îñòàâèòü Petr?


Âîîáùå-òî ïðàâèëüíî áóäåò Pyotr.


Æóòü êàêàÿ. È íå ïðî÷èòàåøü ñ ïåðâîãî ðàçà. Óëûáêà Õîòÿ ëîãè÷íî.

Helen_NJ ():

"Ãëàâíûé òåõíîëîã" ÿ ïåðåâåë êàê "Chief Process Engineer".

Ïî-ìîåìó ïåðåâîä ïðàâèëüíûé. "Senior" - ýòî ñêîðåå "ñòàðøèé". Senior'îâ ìîæåò áûòü ìíîãî, à Chief - îäèí! Óëûáêà

:
"áàêëàáîðàòîðèÿ"


Bacteriology Lab(oratory) / Bacteriological Analysis Lab(oratory)

:
"ïîñòîðîííèì âõîä âîñïðåùåí"


Authorized Personnel Only / Employees Only - âûáèðàéòå â çàâèñèìîñòè îò êîíêðåòíîé ñèòóàöèè.


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