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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 31, 2004 3:12pm : |
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Olga (): |
à ÷òî ñ hospital? |
Sorry, I didn't get it - you are asking or examening?
Olga (): |
My mom works at a hospital èëè my mom work at the hospital? |
As Slava said: a - you don't care which one of the windows/hospitals/cars/aplles/whatever you are talking about. If "your mom works in a hospital" it means she works in some noname hospital. And when your said "My mom works in the hospital" - everybody knows what hospital you are talking about.
By the way: you can work in the hospital - meaning you are nurse, doctor, janitor etc. But if you work at hospital - you work near the hospital.
Andrew (): |
What is the difference between words “Could” and “Can”? Is “Could” friendlier? |
You can say so....
Also "can" means physical possibility: "Can you drive a car?" "I can touch my nose" But if you know for sure that the person you a talking to can do it, but you you a not sure does that person want to do it - you will use "could". "Could you buy a bread on the way home?"
Another meaning of could is ..... hmm.... ñîñëîãàòåëüíîå íàêëîíåíèå. (íó íå ïîìíþ ÿ êàê ýòî ïî àíãëèéñêè ) "I could buy a bread, if only I didn't have bought cake" - "ß ìîã áû êóïèòü õëåá åñëè áû óæå íå êóïèë òîðò" |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 1, 2004 12:28am : |
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White Owl (): |
By the way: you can work in the hospital - meaning you are nurse, doctor, janitor etc. But if you work at hospital - you work near the hospital. |
I study at the Institute or in the Institute? I am speaking “at” always...
White Owl, thanks for explaining about “can” and “could”.
By the way, you say “Could you buy a bread on the way home?” Is it correct? I mean, why not “way to home”? Just interesting _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 1, 2004 3:14pm : |
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Andrew (): |
White Owl (): |
By the way: you can work in the hospital - meaning you are nurse, doctor, janitor etc. But if you work at hospital - you work near the hospital. |
I study at the Institute or in the Institute? I am speaking “at” always... |
'In' has a primary meaning - inside of something. In that case - "in the hospital" or "in the institute" means that your are inside institute building all the time. Your institute is a small institute Usualy, institutes has more than one building plus campus - so 'at' is better.
Of course there is a lot of exceptions, especialy in american, for example: "she visit him at home" vs "she visit him in home".
The home in the first sentence can be house or apartment, but it is a regular home, regular people live there. The home in second sentence - is a nursing home for seniors (äîì ïðåñòàðåëûõ òî åñòü).
Andrew (): |
By the way, you say “Could you buy a bread on the way home?” Is it correct? I mean, why not “way to home”? Just interesting |
Both are correct. The difference is....
"on the way home" - you are at some place, you will be home soon, and I don't care about your way. The way itself is meaningles right now.
"on the way to home" - you will travel for a long-long time. The destintation point of your travel is home. But till then you will be on the way. And can even be lost on that way |
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Olga Ýêñïåðò
: 05.03.2003 : 97 : Ðèãà - Ìîñêâà
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: , 1, 2004 7:39pm : |
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Andrew (): |
I am speaking “at” always...
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Îøèáêè ñ ãëàãîëîì "ãîâîðèòü":
Speak (English, slowly) - ãîâîðèòü.  îòëè÷èå îò íèæå èññëåäóåìîãî say - ïîñëå speak íå èñïîëüçóåòñÿ ãîâîðèòü+÷òî. Ëó÷øå ïðîñòî çàïîìíèòü ôðàçû, â êîòîðûõ ýòî ìîæíî èñïîëüçîâàòü -
speak up! - ãîâîðè ãðîì÷å, èëè,ïûòàÿ øïèîíà,: "ÃÎÂÎÐÈ!!!"
Speak English âî âñåõ âàðèàíòàõ (Do you speak French/ I don't speak Japanese/.....)
She speaks very fast - (ìàíåðà ðå÷è)
Say - ãîâîðèòü+÷òî-òî, ñêàçàòü.
Àêòèâíî èñïëîçóåòñÿ â äèàëîãàõ: ÿ ñêàçàë, áåðè ñâîè âåùè è èäè îòñþäà! (I say.../ I said...)
I always say so -èìååòñÿ â âèäó, ÷òî ÿ ýòî âûðàæåíèå òàê ãîâîðþ âñåãäà, ïîýòîìó âñå-òàêè say
tell -ñêàçàòü+êîìó-òî. Àêòèâíî èñïîëüçóåòñÿ â ñî÷åòàíèÿõ òèïà tell me! èëè I'm telling you! - ÿ òå ãðþ! Îáÿçàòåëüíî íàäî óïîìèíàòü àäðåñàòà, ò.å. êîìó îáðàæåíà ðå÷ü ñ ýòèì ãëàãîëîì.
I said: Go home!
íî: I told her to go home.
talk -áîëòàòü, òîëêîâàòü, áåñåäîâàòü. They are talking about Britney Spears now. What are you talking about?!
Ò.å. â ðàçãîâîðå ïðèíèìàþò ó÷àñòèå äâà èëè áîëüøå ëþäåé, îíè îáùàþòñÿ. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 1, 2004 10:41pm : |
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White Owl (): |
'In' has a primary meaning - inside of something. In that case - "in the hospital" or "in the institute" means that your are inside institute building all the time. Your institute is a small institute Usualy, institutes has more than one building plus campus - so 'at' is better. |
My institute is a small building, only for about 500-600 people. Should I say “in”?
Olga, White Owl – thanks for your lessons! This is really interesting!
I’m saying “at” always – is it correct now? _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Olga Ýêñïåðò
: 05.03.2003 : 97 : Ðèãà - Ìîñêâà
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: , 2, 2004 8:06am : |
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Andrew (): |
I’m saying “at” always – is it correct now? |
íó íå ñîâñåì îïÿòü
âî-ïåðâûõ, íàðå÷èÿ always, never, sometimes, often, usually, seldom îáû÷íî çàíèìàþò ïî÷åòíîå ìåñòî -ïåðåä ñìûñëîâûì ãëàãîëîì.
I will always love you.
I've never been to Japan.
I usually get up at 7 o'clock.
Âî-âòîðûõ, ñ ýòèìè ñëîâàìè óïîòðåáëÿåòñÿ ïðîñòîå îáûêíîâåííîå âðåìÿ - I often have dinner at 8.
(åñòü òóò ïàðà íàðå÷èé, êîòîðûå ïðåäàòåëüñêè ëîæàòüñÿ è ïîä äðóãèå âðåìåíà. íî ýòî - îòäåëüíàÿ òåìà ). Åñëè âû ïðîñòî ãâîîðèòå: ÿ âñåäà åì ñóï íà îáåä, ÿ íèêîãäà íå ñìîòðþ òåëåâèçîð ïåðåä ñíîì, ÿ ÷àñòî èãðàþ â ôóòáîë, ÿ èíîãäà õîæó â êèíî ïî ïÿòíèöàì -ò.å. äåéñòâèå ïåðèîäè÷åñêîå, ïîñòîÿííîå, ðåãóëÿðíîå, åæåäíåâíîå...Åæåäíåâíûå äåéñòâèÿ èì â ëîì âûðàæòü ñëîæíûìè âðåìåíàìè, ïîýòîìó ãîâîðèì ïðîñòî:
I always say so. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 2, 2004 9:26am : |
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Olga (): |
íó íå ñîâñåì îïÿòü
âî-ïåðâûõ, íàðå÷èÿ always, never, sometimes, often, usually, seldom îáû÷íî çàíèìàþò ïî÷åòíîå ìåñòî -ïåðåä ñìûñëîâûì ãëàãîëîì.
I will always love you.
I've never been to Japan.
I usually get up at 7 o'clock.
Âî-âòîðûõ, ñ ýòèìè ñëîâàìè óïîòðåáëÿåòñÿ ïðîñòîå îáûêíîâåííîå âðåìÿ - I often have dinner at 8.
(åñòü òóò ïàðà íàðå÷èé, êîòîðûå ïðåäàòåëüñêè ëîæàòüñÿ è ïîä äðóãèå âðåìåíà. íî ýòî - îòäåëüíàÿ òåìà ). Åñëè âû ïðîñòî ãâîîðèòå: ÿ âñåäà åì ñóï íà îáåä, ÿ íèêîãäà íå ñìîòðþ òåëåâèçîð ïåðåä ñíîì, ÿ ÷àñòî èãðàþ â ôóòáîë, ÿ èíîãäà õîæó â êèíî ïî ïÿòíèöàì -ò.å. äåéñòâèå ïåðèîäè÷åñêîå, ïîñòîÿííîå, ðåãóëÿðíîå, åæåäíåâíîå...Åæåäíåâíûå äåéñòâèÿ èì â ëîì âûðàæòü ñëîæíûìè âðåìåíàìè, ïîýòîìó ãîâîðèì ïðîñòî:
I always say so. |
Thank you, Olga. I didn’t know it too.
I always say "at", right? _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Olga Ýêñïåðò
: 05.03.2003 : 97 : Ðèãà - Ìîñêâà
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: , 2, 2004 9:44am : |
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Andrew (): |
I always say "at", right?
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Right -this time yes, it's right.
Andrew (): |
I didn’t know it too.
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à âîò ýòî -íå ðàéò.
"òîæå" ó íèõ ðàçíîå.
ÿ òîæå îá ýòî çíàþ I know about it, too
ÿ -òîæå - me too
íî åñëè îòðèöåíèå - ÿ òîæå îá ýòî íå çíàþ, ÿ íå ñëûøàë îá ýòî òîæå, ó ìåíÿ òîæå íåòó ýòîé ãíèæêè -
I don't know about it either.
(êàê ÷èòàåòñÿ -ó÷èòå ïðàâèëà -ïðèâåò Áåëîé Ñîâå)
âîò òàêàÿ ïàêîñòü.
À åùå åñòü Also, êîòîðîå æèâåò â ñåðåäèíå ïðåäëîæåíèÿ - I also know that he is jewish -ïåðåäâîäèòüñÿ - òàêæå, ê òîìó æå -
Î÷åíü ìíå íðàâèòñÿ âûðàæåíèå as well. Àíàëîã too è either, èíîãäà è also - âìåñòå âçÿòûõ.
Íå íàäî ïàðèòüñÿ, âñïîìèíàÿ, êàê òû ïîñòðîèë ïðåäëîæåíèå, óòâåðæäåíèåì èëè îòðèöàíèåì.
I am coming as well.
I never heard about it as well.
Íî ïðî either âñå-òàêè íàäî òîæå ïîìíèòü. as well íå âñåãäà êðàñèâî âïèñûâàåòñÿ ïî ñìûñëó. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 2, 2004 10:36am : |
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Olga (): |
Î÷åíü ìíå íðàâèòñÿ âûðàæåíèå as well. Àíàëîã too è either, èíîãäà è also - âìåñòå âçÿòûõ.
Íå íàäî ïàðèòüñÿ, âñïîìèíàÿ, êàê òû ïîñòðîèë ïðåäëîæåíèå, óòâåðæäåíèåì èëè îòðèöàíèåì.
I am coming as well.
I never heard about it as well.
Íî ïðî either âñå-òàêè íàäî òîæå ïîìíèòü. as well íå âñåãäà êðàñèâî âïèñûâàåòñÿ ïî ñìûñëó. |
Ñêîëüêî ñëûøàë ýòî âûðàæåíèå, è ñêîëüêî ÷èòàë as well – ïî÷åìó-òî âñåãäà ëåíèëñÿ óçíàòü, êàê îíî ïåðåâîäèòñÿ
À â êàêèõ ñëó÷àÿõ íóæíî óïîòðåáëÿòü, à â êàêèõ ëó÷øå îïóñòèòü, ñëîâî that? Ó ìåíÿ ñ ýòèì ïîñòîÿííî ïóòàíèöà âîçíèêàåò. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 2, 2004 1:50pm : |
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Andrew (): |
Ñêîëüêî ñëûøàë ýòî âûðàæåíèå, è ñêîëüêî ÷èòàë as well – ïî÷åìó-òî âñåãäà ëåíèëñÿ óçíàòü, êàê îíî ïåðåâîäèòñÿ |
Êîíå÷íî æå "êàê êîëîäåö"! |
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Doxx US Patriot
: 14.06.2003 : 2082 : Ulyanovsk, Russia
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: , 3, 2004 7:08pm : |
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Andrew (): |
My institute is a small building, only for about 500-600 people... |
So small institute . We have about 5000-7000 students... _________________ Ñäåëàé ñâîþ ìå÷òó öåëüþ. /Doxx/
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Guessst red attention
: 08.03.2003 : 220 : USA
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: , 4, 2004 12:06am : |
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White Owl (): |
Andrew (): |
Ñêîëüêî ñëûøàë ýòî âûðàæåíèå, è ñêîëüêî ÷èòàë as well – ïî÷åìó-òî âñåãäà ëåíèëñÿ óçíàòü, êàê îíî ïåðåâîäèòñÿ |
Êîíå÷íî æå "êàê êîëîäåö"! |
Well is a deep subject |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 4, 2004 2:32am : |
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Doxx (): |
So small institute . We have about 5000-7000 students... |
It’s a branch of Irkutsk State Technical University. ISTU have about 50 000 students. Only economists, managers and layers studying in this building, where I am. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Olga Ýêñïåðò
: 05.03.2003 : 97 : Ðèãà - Ìîñêâà
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: , 4, 2004 8:30am : |
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Andrew (): |
Only economists, managers and layers studying in this building, where I am. |
Àíäðåé, à âåäü îáåùàë èñïðàâèòñÿ.
Êîãäà ãîâîðèì î ôàêòå, èñïîëüçóåì ïðîñòîå âðåìÿ, ïðîñòóþ ôîðìó ãëàãîëà:
Only economists, managers and layers study in this building. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 4, 2004 9:24am : |
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Olga (): |
Àíäðåé, à âåäü îáåùàë èñïðàâèòñÿ. |
_________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Darien Fawkes Íîâè÷îê
: 18.04.2004 : 12
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: , 24, 2004 1:18pm : |
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Guessst (): |
White Owl (): |
Andrew (): |
Ñêîëüêî ñëûøàë ýòî âûðàæåíèå, è ñêîëüêî ÷èòàë as well – ïî÷åìó-òî âñåãäà ëåíèëñÿ óçíàòü, êàê îíî ïåðåâîäèòñÿ |
Êîíå÷íî æå "êàê êîëîäåö"! |
Well is a deep subject |
Ýòî âûðàæåíèå ñòàâèòñÿ â êîíöå ïðåäëîæåíèÿ è îçíà÷àåò "à òàê æå". _________________ You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime. Yo! |
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Guessst red attention
: 08.03.2003 : 220 : USA
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: , 24, 2004 2:34pm : |
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Darien Fawkes (): |
Guessst (): |
White Owl (): |
Andrew (): |
Ñêîëüêî ñëûøàë ýòî âûðàæåíèå, è ñêîëüêî ÷èòàë as well – ïî÷åìó-òî âñåãäà ëåíèëñÿ óçíàòü, êàê îíî ïåðåâîäèòñÿ |
Êîíå÷íî æå "êàê êîëîäåö"! |
Well is a deep subject |
Ýòî âûðàæåíèå ñòàâèòñÿ â êîíöå ïðåäëîæåíèÿ è îçíà÷àåò "à òàê æå". |
Äà ìû â êóðñå. |
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ÁÅËÊÀ Íîâè÷îê
: 26.11.2004 : 12 : St. Pete
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: , 26, 2004 3:02pm : |
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âî-ïåðâûõ, íàðå÷èÿ always, never, sometimes, often, usually, seldom îáû÷íî çàíèìàþò ïî÷åòíîå ìåñòî -ïåðåä ñìûñëîâûì ãëàãîëîì.
Âî-âòîðûõ, ñ ýòèìè ñëîâàìè óïîòðåáëÿåòñÿ ïðîñòîå îáûêíîâåííîå âðåìÿ - I often have dinner at 8. |
ÎËß!!! Âû ïî÷òî íàðîä â çàáëóæäåíèå ââîäèòå?
Never è Always - ÿâíûå ïðèçíàêè íàëè÷èÿ ñîâåðøåííîãî âðåìåíè: I've never been happier! èëè I've always wanted/known...
Ýòî ðàç.
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Åñëè âû ïðîñòî ãâîîðèòå: ÿ âñåäà åì ñóï íà îáåä, ÿ íèêîãäà íå ñìîòðþ òåëåâèçîð ïåðåä ñíîì, ÿ ÷àñòî èãðàþ â ôóòáîë, ÿ èíîãäà õîæó â êèíî ïî ïÿòíèöàì -ò.å. äåéñòâèå ïåðèîäè÷åñêîå, ïîñòîÿííîå, ðåãóëÿðíîå, åæåäíåâíîå...Åæåäíåâíûå äåéñòâèÿ èì â ëîì âûðàæòü ñëîæíûìè âðåìåíàìè, ïîýòîìó ãîâîðèì ïðîñòî:
I always say so. |
ñåìàíòèêà always íåñêîëüêî îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò usually, ñîãëàñèòåñü, à â ïîñëåäíåì ñâîåì ïðèìåðå âû èõ îòîæäåñòâèëè. IMHO, ýòî íå êîððåêòíî !
×òî êàñàåòñÿ ïîñòîÿííî ïîâòîðÿþùèõñÿ äåéñòâèé, òî òóò âû ïåðåáîðùèëè. Ñðàâíèòå:
ß âñåãäà ãîâîðèë åìó íå ... (I've always told him not to...)
ß âñåãäà (ïîñòîÿííî) ãîâîðþ åìó.... (I am always telling him to ...)
È ãäå çäåñü present simple?
Ê ÷åìó ýòî ÿ? Ê òîìó, ÷òî åñëè âû áåðåòåñü îáúÿñíÿòü ïðàâèëà, òî îáúÿñíÿéòå òîëêîâî, èëè ññûëàéòåñü íà ëèòåðàòóðíûé èñòî÷íèê.
IMHO, îò òàêèõ îáúÿñíåíèé áîëüøå âðåäà, ÷åì ïîëüçû. IMHO, IMHO, IMHO... _________________ If things were to be done twice, all would be wise! |
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FAshT Íîâè÷îê
: 08.12.2004 : 1
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: , 8, 2004 7:40pm : |
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Êàê ìîæíî ïåðåâåñòè ñëîâà:
1)goan
2)smee |
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Debaser Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 28.03.2003 : 941 : Cleveland, OH
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: , 8, 2004 7:56pm : |
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FAshT (): |
Êàê ìîæíî ïåðåâåñòè ñëîâà:
1)goan
2)smee |
Ýòî íàâåðíîå îòñþäà:
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a CORK radio station was running a competition - words that weren't in the dictionary yet could still be used in a sentence that would make a logical sense. the prize was a trip to Bali.
DJ: "96FM here, what's your name?"
caller: "hi, my name's Dave."
DJ: "Dave, what's your word?"
caller: "goan... spelt 'G-O-A-N', pronounced 'go-an'."
DJ: "...you are correct, Dave, 'goan' is not in the dictionary. now, for a trip to Bali: what sentence can you use that word in that would make sence?"
caller: "goan F*CK youself!"
the DJ cut the caller short and took jther calls, all unsuccessful, until:
DJ: "96FM here, what's your name?"
caller: "hi, my name's Jeff."
DJ: "Jeff, what's your word?"
caller: "smee... spelt 'S-M-E-E', pronounced 'smee'."
DJ: "...you are correct, Jeff, 'smee' is not in the dictionary. now, for a trip to Bali: what sentence can you use that word in that would make sence?"
caller: "SMEE AGAIN! GOAN F*CK YOURSELF!" |
Êëþ÷åâûå ñëîâà - words that weren't in the dictionary yet could still be used in a sentence that would make a logical sense, òî áèøü òàêèõ ñëîâ â àíãëèéñêîì ÿçûêå íåò. Ôðàçû èç ýòîãî àíåêäîòà íà íîðìàëüíîì àíãëèéñêîì çâó÷àò êàê:
Go and f*ck yourself
It's me again _________________
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