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Ó Volvo òîæå åñòü SUV'û. V40 ÿ ïðîñòî äëÿ ïðèìåðà ïðèâåë, ïîòîìó ÷òî â ãóãëå îíà ïîïàëàñü ïåðâåå.
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Ñìîòðåë èõ, êîãäà áðàë ñâîé Àêêîðä - ñàëîí òîò áûë óáîæåñòâî äîñòîéíîå ìóçåÿ. Ìîÿ õîíäà òîãî æå ãîäà è ïî äèçàéíó ëó÷øå è ïî áåçîïàñíîñòè íå ñèëüíî õóæå.
Åñëè óæ ñîâñåì çàöèêëèâàòüñÿ íà áåçîïàñíîñòè òî íàäî ïîêóïàòü âîò ýòî èëè íà õóäîé êîíåö âîò ýòî _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
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Åñëè óæ ñîâñåì çàöèêëèâàòüñÿ íà áåçîïàñíîñòè òî íàäî ïîêóïàòü âîò ýòî èëè íà õóäîé êîíåö âîò ýòî |
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Êàê â Àìåðèêå öåííîñòè òî ìåíÿþòñÿ. Ìóñòàíãè íà êàæäîì øàãó, à ñòðàøíûé ãðóçîâèê - öåííàÿ ðåäêàÿ øòóêà! ![Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
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Ýòîò êàêîãî-òî ñêðîìíîãî ðàçìåðà. Âñåãî äâå îñè Ïðÿì ãðàæäàíñêàÿ âåðñèÿ![Óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
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Êàê â Àìåðèêå öåííîñòè òî ìåíÿþòñÿ. Ìóñòàíãè íà êàæäîì øàãó, à ñòðàøíûé ãðóçîâèê - öåííàÿ ðåäêàÿ øòóêà! ![Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
Òàê íè ó êîãî òàêîãî íåò ![Óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ ![](http://gerasimov.org/forum/images/hat.gif) |
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Êàê â Àìåðèêå öåííîñòè òî ìåíÿþòñÿ. Ìóñòàíãè íà êàæäîì øàãó, à ñòðàøíûé ãðóçîâèê - öåííàÿ ðåäêàÿ øòóêà! ![Øèðîêàÿ óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
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Ïðèäóìàë áèçíåñ: êàòàòü àìåðèêàíöåâ ïî çàñíåæåííîìó ïîëþ íà ÇÈË-157:
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url: http://auto.mail.ru/article.html?id=39696
28.12.2012 11:05
Mercedes, Audi è Lexus ïðîâàëèëè êðàø-òåñòû
Àìåðèêàíñêèé èíñòèòóò ñòðàõîâàíèÿ è äîðîæíîé áåçîïàñíîñòè – IIHS ñ ýòîãî ãîäà óæåñòî÷èë ñâîþ ìåòîäèêó ïðîâåäåíèÿ êðàø-òåñòîâ, è âûÿñíèëîñü, ÷òî ìíîãèå íåäåøåâûå ìîäåëè ñîâñåì íå òàê áåçîïàñíû, êàê ïðèíÿòî äóìàòü. Áîëåå òîãî, èìåííî ïðåñòèæíûå áðåíäû – Mercedes, Audi è Lexus – óñòóïèëè â ýòèõ èñïûòàíèÿõ áîëåå ìàññîâûì ìàðêàì.
Îò÷àñòè óñëîâèÿ èñïûòàíèé IIHS áëèçêè ê ìåòîäèêå Euro NCAP: ôðîíòàëüíûé óäàð ïðîâîäèòñÿ íà ñêîðîñòè 64 êì/÷ î ñìèíàåìûé áàðüåð ñ 40-ïðîöåíòíûì ïåðåêðûòèåì. Îäíàêî ñ 2012 ãîäà äîáàâèëñÿ òàêæå óäàð ñ 25-ïðîöåíòíûì ïåðåêðûòèåì. Ëèøü íà ïåðâûé âçãëÿä ìîæåò ïîêàçàòüñÿ, ÷òî ýòî ìåíåå îïàñíàÿ ñèòóàöèÿ. Íà äåëå âñÿ ñèëà óäàðà ïðèõîäèòñÿ â òó ÷àñòü êóçîâà, êîòîðàÿ íå ìîæåò â äîñòàòî÷íîé ñòåïåíè ïîãëîòèòü åãî.
×åòûðå ëþêñîâûå ìîäåëè ïîëó÷èëè ðåéòèíã «Poor», òî åñòü, «ïëîõî».  ýòî ÷èñëî âîøëè Mercedes C-Êëàññà, Audi A4, Lexus ES 350 è Lexus IS 250/350. Ñðåäè áîëåå äîñòóïíûõ ìàðîê àóòñàéäåðàìè îêàçàëèñü Toyota Camry è Prius v, îäíàêî ïîäàâëÿþùåå áîëüøèíñòâî «ñåìåéíûõ» ìîäåëåé ïîêàçàëè â ýòèõ èñïûòàíèÿõ áîëåå âûñîêèå ðåçóëüòàòû, ÷åì âûøåóïîìÿíóòûå àâòîìîáèëè ïðåìèóì-êëàññà.
Ïîÿâëåíèþ äîïîëíèòåëüíîãî ôðîíòàëüíîãî óäàðà â ìåòîäèêå IIHS ïðåäøåñòâîâàëà ñåðüåçíàÿ èññëåäîâàòåëüñêàÿ ðàáîòà. Ïî äàííûì àìåðèêàíñêèõ ýêñïåðòîâ ïî ïàññèâíîé áåçîïàñíîñòè, ïî÷òè ÷åòâåðòü ëîáîâûõ ñòîëêíîâåíèé, ïîâëåêøèõ ñåðüåçíûå òðàâìû èëè ñìåðòü, ïðèõîäèòñÿ íà ôðîíòàëüíûå óäàðû ñ íåáîëüøèì ïåðåêðûòèåì. Íå ñåêðåò, ÷òî âñå àâòîïðîèçâîäèòåëè «ïîäãîíÿþò» êîíñòðóêöèè ñâîèõ ìàøèí ïîä êðàø-òåñòû îïðåäåëåííîãî òèïà, íó à â ðåàëüíîñòè ñòîëêíîâåíèÿ áûâàþò ñàìûìè ðàçíîîáðàçíûìè, è, êàê ìû âèäèì ïî ðåçóëüòàòàì, íîâûé âèä êðàø-òåñòà ñèëüíî ìåíÿåò íàøè ïðåäñòàâëåíèÿ î áåçîïàñíîñòè òåõ èëè èíûõ ìîäåëåé.
Âïðî÷åì, íå ñòîèò äóìàòü, ÷òî ýêñïåðòû IIHS íàìåðåííî «ïîäëîâèëè» àâòîïðîèçâîäèòåëåé. Èíñòèòóò çàáëàãîâðåìåííî îáúÿâèë î ñâîèõ ïëàíàõ íà÷àòü ïðîâîäèòü ôðîíòàëüíûå êðàø-òåñòû ñ 25-ïðîöåíòíûì ïåðåêðûòèåì, è íåñêîëüêî àâòîìîáèëüíûõ ìàðîê óñïåëè ïîäãîòîâèòü ñâîè ìîäåëè ê ýòèì èñïûòàíèÿì. Ford, Honda è Nissan îôèöèàëüíî îáúÿâèëè, ÷òî âíåñëè â êîíñòðóêöèþ êóçîâîâ îïðåäåëåííûå èçìåíåíèÿ, ÷òîáû îíè ëó÷øå âûäåðæèâàëè ïîäîáíûå óäàðû. Subaru è Volkswagen äîðàáîòàëè ñèñòåìó óïðàâëåíèÿ ïîäóøêàìè áåçîïàñíîñòè.  ÷àñòíîñòè, ïðè óäàðå ñ íåáîëüøèì ïåðåêðûòèåì òåïåðü ðàñêðûâàþòñÿ íå òîëüêî ïåðåäíèå, íî è áîêîâûå ïîäóøêè, ÷òî îáåñïå÷èâàåò ëó÷øóþ çàùèòó ãîëîâû.
×òî æå ïðîèñõîäèò ïðè óäàðå ñ 25-ïðîöåíòíûì ïåðåêðûòèåì? Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî îñíîâíûå ÷àñòè ñèëîâîé ñòðóêòóðû êóçîâà, ïðèçâàííûå, ñìèíàÿñü, ïîãëîòèòü óäàð, ðàñïîëîæåíû â öåíòðàëüíûõ ïÿòèäåñÿòè ïðîöåíòàõ ïåðåäíåé ÷àñòè ìàøèíû. À â ñëó÷àå ñ êðàø-òåñòîì íîâîãî òèïà ñèëà óäàðà ïåðåäàåòñÿ, â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü, íà êîëåñî, äåòàëè ïîäâåñêè è ÷åðåç íèõ íåïîñðåäñòâåííî íà «êëåòêó» ñàëîíà.  ðåçóëüòàòå æèçíåííîå ïðîñòðàíñòâî ðåçêî ñîêðàùàåòñÿ. Íà ôîòî ñëåâà – Suzuki Kizashi, ó êîòîðîãî, êàê ìû âèäèì, äâåðíîé ïðîåì ïðàêòè÷åñêè íå èçìåíèëñÿ ïîñëå óäàðà. Ñïðàâà – Toyota Prius v, ó êîòîðîé «êëåòêà» ïîëó÷èëà îãðîìíûå ïîâðåæäåíèÿ.
×òî åùå õóæå, ó «Òîéîòû» ïîçäíî ðàñêðûëàñü áîêîâàÿ ïîäóøêà. Ìàíåêåí óñïåë «ïðèëîæèòüñÿ» ãîëîâîé, ïëå÷îì è ãðóäíîé êëåòêîé î áîêîâîå ñòåêëî è äâåðü. Ïðè ýòîì, â ñèëó òîãî, ÷òî óäàð ïðèõîäèòñÿ â óãîë ìàøèíû, ãîëîâà âîäèòåëÿ òàêæå «ïðîìàõèâàåòñÿ» ìèìî ôðîíòàëüíîé ïîäóøêè.
Âî âðåìÿ äàííîé ñåðèè êðàø-òåñòîâ IIHS íå îáîøëîñü áåç ñîâñåì óæ ñòðàííûõ ñëó÷àåâ. Ìîäóëü ôðîíòàëüíîé ïîäóøêè áåçîïàñíîñòè Volkswagen Jetta ïî íåïîíÿòíûì ïðè÷èíàì îòîðâàëñÿ îò ðóëåâîãî êîëåñà, ÷òî ïðîèçîøëî âïåðâûå çà âñþ èñòîðèþ àìåðèêàíñêèõ êðàø-òåñòîâ. Ê ñ÷àñòüþ, îòðûâ ñëó÷èëñÿ ñðàâíèòåëüíî «ïîçäíî», è íà óäàð ãîëîâû ìàíåêåíà ýòî íå ïîâëèÿëî. Îäíàêî òðåáîâàíèÿ áåçîïàñíîñòè îáÿçûâàþò àâòîïðîèçâîäèòåëåé êðåïèòü ïîäóøêè òàêèì îáðàçîì, ÷òîáû ïðè àâàðèè îíè íå ñëåòàëè ñ êðåïëåíèé. Ðåéòèíã «Äæåòòû» áûë ñíèæåí äî óðîâíÿ «Marginal» («íà ãðàíè»). Íåìåöêèé ïðîèçâîäèòåëü ïîîáåùàë ïðîâåñòè ðàññëåäîâàíèå ïî äàííîìó ôàêòó.
Ïîìèìî äâóõ ôðîíòàëüíûõ óäàðîâ â ìåòîäèêó IIHS âõîäèò áîêîâîé óäàð è óäàð ñçàäè, à òàêæå òåñò íà ïåðåâîðîò. Ïî ñîâîêóïíîñòè âñåõ èñïûòàíèé ýêñïåðòû âûäåëÿþò ëó÷øèå ìàøèíû, íàãðàæäàÿ èõ òèòóëîì Top Safety Pick. Íî ñ ýòîãî ãîäà, ÷òîáû îñîáî îòìåòèòü òå ìîäåëè, êîòîðûå õîðîøî èëè óäîâëåòâîðèòåëüíî âûäåðæàëè òåñò ñ íåáîëüøèì ïåðåêðûòèåì, ââåäåíà êàòåãîðèÿ Top Safety Pick+.
Èç ñðåäíåöåíîâîãî ñåãìåíòà ýòîò òèòóë ïîëó÷èëè:
Chrysler 200 (ñåäàí)
Dodge Avenger
Ford Mondeo/Fusion
Honda Accord (êóïå)
Honda Accord (ñåäàí)
Kia Optima
Nissan Altima (ñåäàí)
Subaru Legacy
Subaru Outback
Suzuki Kizashi
Volkswagen Passat
Èç ëþêñîâîé êàòåãîðèè (ïî êëàññèôèêàöèè IIHS) âñåãî äâå:
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Èíòåðåñíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ - ñïàñèáî, Àðòåì! _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ ![](http://gerasimov.org/forum/images/hat.gif) |
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Èíòåðåñíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ - ñïàñèáî, Àðòåì! |
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Èíîãäà èíòåðåñíåå ÷èòàòü êàìåíòû ê òàêèì ñòàòüÿì
Íî ìíå âñå-ðàâíî èíòåðåñíî, êàêîé èç ýòèõ òåñòîâ ïîêàçûâàåò êàê ïîâåäåò ñåáÿ ñåäàí ïðè ñòîëêíîâåíèè ñ äæèïîì, ãäå áàìïåð ìîæåò áûòü âûøå êàïîòà. ![Äóìàþ](images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif) _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
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Èíîãäà èíòåðåñíåå ÷èòàòü êàìåíòû ê òàêèì ñòàòüÿì
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Íà mail.ru?! Íó ìîæíî åùå â äóðêó ñõîäèòü è ïîñëóøàòü áîëüíûõ òàì.
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Íî ìíå âñå-ðàâíî èíòåðåñíî, êàêîé èç ýòèõ òåñòîâ ïîêàçûâàåò êàê ïîâåäåò ñåáÿ ñåäàí ïðè ñòîëêíîâåíèè ñ äæèïîì, ãäå áàìïåð ìîæåò áûòü âûøå êàïîòà. ![Äóìàþ](images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif) |
ß âûøå ðàçìåùàë êðàø-òåñò Civic'à è Ford-F150 äðóã ñ äðóãîì. Ïî âèäåî êðàø-òåñòà ìàëî ÷òî ïîíÿòíî - íóæíî ñìîòðåòü, êàêèå áûëè ïåðåãðóçêè ó ìàíåêåíîâ ïðè óäàðå. F150 ñìÿëñÿ, êîíå÷íî, ìåíüøå, ÷åì Civic, íî ìàíåêåí âîäèòåëÿ Ôîðäà âèçóàëüíî çàìåäëèëñÿ î÷åíü ðåçêî.
Íåìåöêèé ADAC ñòàëêèâàë Audi Q7 è Fiat 500. Ñàìè ïî ñåáå îáå ìàøèíû ñ õîðîøåé ïàññèâíîé áåçîïàñíîñòüþ, íî èõ ìàññû î÷åíü ðàçíûå (2.2 òîííû ó Audi Q7; 1 òîííà ó Fiat 500). Íó è, êîíå÷íî, â ìàëåíüêîì Ôèàòå ëþäè ïîëó÷èëè áû î÷åíü ñèëüíûå òðàâìû.
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Îñíîâíàÿ ïðîáëåìà, êàê ìíå êàæåòñÿ, â òîì, ÷òî ïðè óäàðå èç-çà ðàçíîé ìàññû ìàøèí ó ìàëåíüêîé è ëåãêîé ïîëó÷àåòñÿ îòðèöàòåëüíîå óñêîðåíèå (îíà íå ïðîñòî îñòàíàâëèâàåòñÿ ñ 64 äî 0êì/÷, à åùå è îòëåòàåò íàçàä), è ïåðåãðóçêè âíóòðè íå¸ âîçðàñòàþò â ðàçû. Òîãäà êàê â êðóïíîé è òÿæåëîé ìàøèíå, íàîáîðîò, ïåðåãðóçêè ëåã÷å, ÷åì â êðàø-òåñòå îá àëþìèíåâûé êóá, ò.ê. ìàëåíüêàÿ ìàøèíà âûñòóïàåò êàê "ïîäóøêà" äëÿ áîëüøîé ìàøèíû. |
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MaxiM Áóäóùèé àìåðèêàíåö
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Àðòåì, ñïàñèáî çà èíôîðìàöèþ. _________________ MaxiM |
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
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: 13.11.2003 : 1539 : NC, USA
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
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: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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×òî-òî ó ìåíÿ ññûëêà íå îòêðûâàåòñÿ. |
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Helen_NJ Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
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Àðòåì (): |
×òî-òî ó ìåíÿ ññûëêà íå îòêðûâàåòñÿ. |
Õì, ñòðàííî... Ó ìåíÿ âñå ðàáîòàåò. Íåóæòî îíè ïî IP àìåðèêàíñêèì òîëüêî ïóñêàþò? ![Øîêèðîâàí](images/smiles/icon_eek.gif) |
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MaxiM Áóäóùèé àìåðèêàíåö
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Àðòåì (): |
×òî-òî ó ìåíÿ ññûëêà íå îòêðûâàåòñÿ. |
Ó ìåíÿ òî æå íå îòêðûâàåòñÿ. _________________ MaxiM |
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Doxx US Patriot
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: 14.06.2003 : 2082 : Ulyanovsk, Russia
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äà, òàê è åñòü
ÿ îáû÷íî ïðîêñè èñïîëüçóþ äëÿ ýòîãî
âîò íàïðèìåð http://www.hidemyass.com/ _________________ Ñäåëàé ñâîþ ìå÷òó öåëüþ. /Doxx/
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MaxiM Áóäóùèé àìåðèêàíåö
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Doxx, òû ïðîñòî ÷óäî ! Îáîæàþ òåáÿ!!! Îòêðûëîñü òî, ÷òî ðàíüøå áûëî èíòåðåñíî, íî íåäîñòóïíî ïî ïðè÷èíå ìîåãî ðåãèîíà ![Êëàññíî!](images/smiles/icon_cool2.gif) _________________ MaxiM |
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