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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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: , 4, 2010 10:08am : |
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antoniofox (): |
ïîøëèíû ýòî ïîíÿòíîå äåëî ,ÿ òî ñïðîñèë ó ÷åëîâåêà,ñîâñåñ äðóãîå)))ìàøèíû â ñøà ñîáèðàþò òà æå ìàçäà è â ðîññèè)à öåíû îòëè÷àþòñÿ) â àìåðèåêå äàæå íåìåöêèå ìàøèíû äåøåâëå ÷åì â åâðîïå âîò â ÷åì áûë âîïðîñ |
Ïîøëèíû, ïîøëèíû.
Çà ñ÷åò ïîøëèí ñîõðàíÿåòñÿ âûñîêèé óðîâåíü öåí íà ÂÑÅ àâòîìîáèëè âíóòðè ñòðàíû. Ïîýòîìó, äàæå åñëè ñåáåñòîèìîñòü ìåñòíîé ñáîðêè ïîëó÷èëàñü íåâûñîêà, ïðîèçâîäèòåëü áóäåò ïðîäàâàòü ïî âûñîêîé öåíå âñ¸ ðàâíî, ïîòîìó ÷òî îñòàëüíûå ìàðêè ñòîÿò òîæå äîðîãî.
Ïîøëèíû ñóùåñòâóþò íå òîëüêî íà ãîòîâûå àâòîìîáèëè, íî è íà àâòîêîìïîíåíòû, àâòîçàï÷àñòè. Ýòî âëèÿåò íà ñåáåñòîèìîñòü ñîáèðàåìûõ â Ðîññèè àâòîìîáèëåé. Íà ñåáåñòîèìîñòü âëèÿåò åùå è òî, ÷òî ó íàñ íè ÷åðòà áåç îòêàòà íå ñäåëàåøü. ×òîáû ïîñòðîèòü çàâîä, íóæíî ïîëó÷èòü ìàññó ðàçðåøåíèé. Áåñïëàòíî èõ ÷èíîâíèêè íå äàäóò.
Ïîìèìî ýòîãî âñåãî, íà ñåáåñòîèìîñòü àâòîìîáèëåé î÷åíü ñèëüíî âëèÿåò êîëè÷åñòâî âûïóñêàåìûõ ìàøèí. Íèæå 50000øò â ãîä âîîáùå íåðåíòàáåëüíî.  Ðîññèè íåò òàêîãî ðûíêà, ÷òîáû ñîáèðàòü ïî 200-300òûñÿ÷ àâòîìîáèëåé êàæäîé ìàðêè.  ÑØÀ òàêîé ðûíîê åñòü. Ïîýòîìó è ñáîðêà òàì îáõîäèòñÿ äåøåâëå.
Ïî÷åìó â Åâðîïå ìàøèíû äîðîæå ÷åì â ÑØÀ? Íà ýòîò âîïðîñ òî÷íîãî îòâåòà ó ìåíÿ íåò, íî åñòü ïðåäïîëîæåíèå, îñíîâàííîå íà êîå-êàêèõ çíàíèÿõ äèëåðñêîé êóõíè.  Åâðîïå àâòîäèëåð ïîëó÷àåò íåñêîëüêî òûñÿ÷ åâðî ñ êàæäîé ïðîäàííîé ìàøèíû! Íî çà ýòè äåíüãè ïîêóïàòåëÿ òàì ïðîñòî îáëèçûâàþò. Òàêîãî, íàïðèìåð, ïîíÿòèÿ êàê "ñíÿëè ñ ãàðàíòèè ïîòîìó ÷òî ñèãíàëèçàöèþ ïîñòàâèëè íå òàì" â Åâðîïå âîîáùå íåò (â Ðîññèè øèðîêî ðàñïðîñòðàíåíî).
Íó è Åâðîïà - ýòî ïîíÿòèå ðàñòÿæèìîå.  òîé æå Íîðâåãèè ïîøëèíû òîæå î÷åíü âûñîêèå. È ìàøèíû äîðîãèå.  ñëó÷àå ñ Åâðîïîé íóæíî îáñóæäàòü êàæäóþ ñòðàíó îòäåëüíî.
 ßïîíèè öåíû íà àâòîìîáèëè ñîïîñòàâèìû ñ àìåðèêàíñêèìè. À íà á/ó åùå íèæå. |
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crp Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 09.08.2009 : 117
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: , 6, 2010 7:56pm : |
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Àíäðåé, êàê ïðîäâèãàåòñÿ âûáîð ìàøèíû? |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 6, 2010 8:34pm : |
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I called to 12 Mazda's dealerships around and left my phone number. No luck yet... _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Slava ÍËÎ
: 10.03.2003 : 4182 : at this moment Stamford CT
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: , 7, 2010 3:11am : |
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À êàê æå Ôîðä, Òîéîòà, Õîíäà? _________________ Good judgment comes from expirience.
Expirience comes from bad judgment |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 7, 2010 5:38pm : |
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 ïîñëåäíþþ íåäåëþ ñòàë àêòèâíî èíòåðåñîâàòüñÿ Ìóñòàíãîì ñ V8. Ó íèõ ìåõàíèêà - ýòî ñòàíäàðò, à àâòîìàò - îïöèîíàëüíî. Íàéòè òî, ÷òî ïîíðàâèòñÿ, ïî èäåå äîëæíî áûòü ïðîùå. Ïîñìîòðèì.
Òîéîòà äåëàåò òóïîãîëîâûõ ðîáîòîâ. Åäèíñòâåííàÿ ìàøèíà, êîòîðàÿ ìíå ó íèõ êîãäà-òî íðàâèëàñü - Toyota Supra, íî åå äàâíî óæå íå ïðîèçâîäÿò.
Èç Ëåêñóñîâ îäíî âðåìÿ ïðèâëåêàë IS250-350, íî îí íåîáîñíîâàííî çàâûøåí â öåíå, è â ñàëîíå òåñíî î÷åíü. Ïîñëå Ïîíòèàíà õî÷åòñÿ ÷òî-òî ñ áÎëüøèì ñàëîíîì.
Ó Õîíäû íè÷åãî íå íðàâèòñÿ òîæå. Åñëè Àêóðó ñ÷èòàòü Õîíäîé, òî ïðèâëåêàåò Acura TSX, íî îíè íå äåëàþò èõ ñ ìåõàíèêîé òîæå (â ñìûñëå äåëàþò, íî òîëüêî 4-öèëèíäðîâûå) _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Doxx US Patriot
: 14.06.2003 : 2082 : Ulyanovsk, Russia
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: , 7, 2010 5:38pm : |
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ìíå äî ïîêóïêè ìàøèíû åùå íå ñêîðî, íî ñ ìàðêîé/ìîäåëüþ ÿ óæå îïðåäåëèëñÿ, íà ýòîò ðàç ÒÀÇ'û â ñòîðîíó, áóäó áðàòü ìàøèíó äëÿ óäîâîëüñòâèÿ:
Toyota Celica 1993-1999 ñ ÀÊÏÏ, 4õìåñòíûé êóïå (116/140/170 ë.ñ.)
ñåãîäíÿ âïåðâûå óâèäèë â íàøåì ãîðîäå Ford Mustang... óâèäåë â æèâóþ ëåãåíäó _________________ Ñäåëàé ñâîþ ìå÷òó öåëüþ. /Doxx/
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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: , 7, 2010 8:35pm : |
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Åñëè åùå íå ñêîðî, òî îíà ñîâñåì æå ñòàðàÿ áóäåò.
Âîîáùå, åñëè ïðàâûé ðóëü çàâîçèòü ñíîâà íå íà÷íóò, òî ÷åðåç íåñêîëüêî ëåò ïðîäàâàòü áóäóò òîëüêî ðóõëÿäü, êîòîðàÿ óæå òóò, â Ðîññèè óêàòàëàñü.
Õîòÿ Ñåëèêà, êîíå÷íî, âåùü÷. |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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: , 7, 2010 8:36pm : |
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Andrew (): |
 ïîñëåäíþþ íåäåëþ ñòàë àêòèâíî èíòåðåñîâàòüñÿ Ìóñòàíãîì ñ V8. Ó íèõ ìåõàíèêà - ýòî ñòàíäàðò, à àâòîìàò - îïöèîíàëüíî. Íàéòè òî, ÷òî ïîíðàâèòñÿ, ïî èäåå äîëæíî áûòü ïðîùå. Ïîñìîòðèì.
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À êàê æå òâîÿ Ãîäçèëëà? |
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antoniofox Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
: 18.03.2010 : 97 : MOSCOW CITY
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: , 8, 2010 10:18pm : |
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è ïî÷åì ó âàñ òàì ìóñòàíã V8??? _________________ æèâè ìå÷òîé.... USA PATRIOT. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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Doxx US Patriot
: 14.06.2003 : 2082 : Ulyanovsk, Russia
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: , 9, 2010 2:18pm : |
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ààààààààààààààààààààà!!!!
Ýòî Ìóñòàíã
Àíäðþõèí ïîçäðàâëÿþ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ïðîñòî ñóìàøåäøàÿ ðåàëèçàöèÿ òâîåé ìå÷òû/èäåè, Äæåéìñ Êåìåðîí ñ Êðèñòîôåðîì Íîëàíîì íåðâíî êóðÿò â ñòîðîíêå... _________________ Ñäåëàé ñâîþ ìå÷òó öåëüþ. /Doxx/
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 10, 2010 6:27am : |
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Ñïàñèáî áîëüøîå, Àíäðåé!
Êàê óæå ñêàçàë - ãóëÿòü, òàê ãóëÿòü _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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rugda Íîâè÷îê
: 09.06.2010 : 43 : Ukraine Cherkassy
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: , 10, 2010 10:48am : |
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Ïîçäðàâëÿåì!!!!
Êàê ãîâîðÿò â "áûâøèõ ñîâåòàõ" - íè ãâîçäÿ, íè æåçëà, íè êàìåðû â ïðèäà÷ó!!! |
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antoniofox Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
: 18.03.2010 : 97 : MOSCOW CITY
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: , 24, 2010 10:38am : |
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Ïîçäðàâëÿþ))) êñòàòè ïî÷åì îáîøëàñü ïîêóïêà? âåëèêîëåïíàÿ ìàøèíà) _________________ æèâè ìå÷òîé.... USA PATRIOT. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 25, 2010 12:14am : |
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rugda (): |
Ïîçäðàâëÿåì!!!!
Êàê ãîâîðÿò â "áûâøèõ ñîâåòàõ" - íè ãâîçäÿ, íè æåçëà, íè êàìåðû â ïðèäà÷ó!!! |
Thanks! _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 25, 2010 12:14am : |
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antoniofox (): |
Ïîçäðàâëÿþ))) êñòàòè ïî÷åì îáîøëàñü ïîêóïêà? âåëèêîëåïíàÿ ìàøèíà) |
Thank you!
23K. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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antoniofox Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
: 18.03.2010 : 97 : MOSCOW CITY
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: , 27, 2010 3:03pm : |
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à ÷òî ïîáîëüøå ôîòî ìàøèíû íå âûñòàâèøü? _________________ æèâè ìå÷òîé.... USA PATRIOT. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 28, 2010 1:32am : |
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antoniofox (): |
à ÷òî ïîáîëüøå ôîòî ìàøèíû íå âûñòàâèøü? |
Ñïàñèáî çà ïðîÿâëåííûé èíòåðåñ. Êàê áóäåò âðåìÿ - îáÿçàòåëüíî ïîôîòîãðàôèðóþ è ñäåëàþ ôîòîàëüáîì î íåì. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ |
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antoniofox Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
: 18.03.2010 : 97 : MOSCOW CITY
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: , 28, 2010 12:58pm : |
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à êñòàòè èñêàë ÷åðåç ebay? _________________ æèâè ìå÷òîé.... USA PATRIOT. |
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Oleg_Msk Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
: 30.09.2004 : 1000
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: , 28, 2010 11:06pm : |
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Andrew (): |
Ñïàñèáî áîëüøîå, Àíäðåé!
Êàê óæå ñêàçàë - ãóëÿòü, òàê ãóëÿòü |
Îáëèí!!Äàâíî áû òàê, à òî êàêèå-òî ìàçäû...)))
Äèêî çàâèäóþ, ýòî òîæå ìîÿ ìå÷òà )) |
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