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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
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: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 26, 2006 1:14pm : |
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Çà àïãðåéäàìè ñòàðàþñü ñëåäèòü è íå çàòÿãèâàòü - îäíàæäû óæå ãðîõíóëè ôîðóì, áîëüøå íå õî÷åòñÿ. |
À êñòàòè, ó òåáÿ åñòü äîñòóï ê ëîãàì http ñåðâåðà? Äàé ïîëþáîâàòüñÿ ëîãàìè çà â÷åðà? |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
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: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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À êñòàòè, ó òåáÿ åñòü äîñòóï ê ëîãàì http ñåðâåðà? Äàé ïîëþáîâàòüñÿ ëîãàìè çà â÷åðà? |
Åñòü âðîäå, õîòÿ íèêîãäà ñïåöèàëüíî íå èíòåðåñîâàëñÿ. Ñåé÷àñ íåò âðåìåíè èñêàòü, ãäå îíè íàõîäÿòñÿ À ÷òî ñëó÷èëîñü? Îòêóäà òàêîé èíòåðåñ? ![Óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ ![](http://gerasimov.org/forum/images/hat.gif) |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
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: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 30, 2006 2:17pm : |
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Äûê ëþáèòåëü ïîðíîãðàôèè íàø, ïðèõîäèë ñ êàêîãî-òî ñòðàííîãî àäðåñà î êîòîðîì íå çíàåò internic. Ïî ìíåíèþ internic'à ýòè ip-àäðåñà âîîáùå íå ðàñïðåäåëÿþòñÿ. Çíà÷èò ïðîêñè èëè íàò.... Íó òàì è åùå ðàçíûå âûâîäû î õàêåðñêèõ íàêëîííîñòÿõ äàííîãî ïðèäóðêà. À ïî ëîãàì http åñòü íåêîòîðûé øàíñ îòñëåäèòü åãî ïîëó÷øå ÷åì ÷èñòî ñðåäñòâàìè ôîðóìà. |
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R.E.M Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
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: 06.08.2005 : 508 : Novgorod The Great
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: , 30, 2006 3:14pm : |
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À ìîæíî ëè óçíàòü ãäå îí æèâ¸ò? Âîò, ïðåäïîëîæèì, ìíå, ÷åëîâåêó íå èìåþùåìó äîñòóïà ê ñâåðõñåêðåòíîé èíôîðìàöèè. _________________ Íå ïîíåìàþ çà÷åì çëîñëîâèòü, åñëè õî÷åøü íàñîëèòü êîìó-íèáóäü, äîñòàòî÷íî ñêàçàòü î í¸ì êàêóþ-íèáóäü... ïðàâäó. |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
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: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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À ìîæíî ëè óçíàòü ãäå îí æèâ¸ò? Âîò, ïðåäïîëîæèì, ìíå, ÷åëîâåêó íå èìåþùåìó äîñòóïà ê ñâåðõñåêðåòíîé èíôîðìàöèè. |
Êîãäà ÿ óçíàþ ãäå îí æèâåò, ÿ åìó ñàì ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì ðûëî íà÷èùó ![Óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
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: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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: , 30, 2006 5:09pm : |
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À ìîæíî ëè óçíàòü ãäå îí æèâ¸ò? Âîò, ïðåäïîëîæèì, ìíå, ÷åëîâåêó íå èìåþùåìó äîñòóïà ê ñâåðõñåêðåòíîé èíôîðìàöèè. |
Êîãäà ÿ óçíàþ ãäå îí æèâåò, ÿ åìó ñàì ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì ðûëî íà÷èùó ![Óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) |
Ýòî âû ïðî ñïàììåðà, êîòîðûé òóò çàëåòàë íåäàâíî? ![Ïîäêàëûâàþ](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) |
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R.E.M Æèòåëü ôîðóìà
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: 06.08.2005 : 508 : Novgorod The Great
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: , 30, 2006 6:07pm : |
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À ìîæíî ëè óçíàòü ãäå îí æèâ¸ò? Âîò, ïðåäïîëîæèì, ìíå, ÷åëîâåêó íå èìåþùåìó äîñòóïà ê ñâåðõñåêðåòíîé èíôîðìàöèè. |
Êîãäà ÿ óçíàþ ãäå îí æèâåò, ÿ åìó ñàì ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì ðûëî íà÷èùó ![Óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) |
Ýòî âû ïðî ñïàììåðà, êîòîðûé òóò çàëåòàë íåäàâíî? ![Ïîäêàëûâàþ](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) |
Àãà. Îí çàïàðèë óæå, äà è ññûëêè... ëàäíî, ëàäíî äåòÿì äî 16...
Íó, à ðåàëüíî óçíàòü ïî èïè ìåñòî æèòåëüñòâà? Õîòÿ áû ïðèìåðíîå. _________________ Íå ïîíåìàþ çà÷åì çëîñëîâèòü, åñëè õî÷åøü íàñîëèòü êîìó-íèáóäü, äîñòàòî÷íî ñêàçàòü î í¸ì êàêóþ-íèáóäü... ïðàâäó. |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
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: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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Íó, à ðåàëüíî óçíàòü ïî èïè ìåñòî æèòåëüñòâà? Õîòÿ áû ïðèìåðíîå. |
Âîîáùå ðåàëüíî. Ñëîæíî, íî âîçìîæíî.
Ëþáîé çàïðîñ ê ñàéòó èäåò ñ êàêîãî-òî IP àäðåñà. Êàæäûé IP àäðåñ ïðèíàäëåæèò ê àäðåñíîìó ïðîñòðàíñòâó êàêîé-òî ôèðìû. Èäåøü íàïðèìåð íà ñàéò http://www.internic.net/whois.html óêàçûâàåøü òàì èíòåðåñóþùèé IP è ïîëó÷àåøü êîíòàêòíûé àäðåñ è òåëåôîí àäìèíèñòðàòîðà ñåòè ê êîòîðîé ýòîò IP ïðèíäàëåæèò. Ñâÿçûâàåøüñÿ ñ ýòèì àäìèíèñòðàòîðîì è ãîâîðèøü ìîë òîãäà-òî ñ òàêîãî-òî âàøåãî àäðåñà êî ìíå ïðèõîäèë çëîäåé. Åñëè ñóìååøü óáåäèòü òàìîøíåãî àäìèíà âûëåçòè èç êðåñëà è íàâåñòè ïîðÿäîê - îí ïî ñâîåé ñîáñòâåííîé êàðòå ïîñìîòðèò íà êàêîì ñòîëå ñòîèò êîìï ñ óêàçàíûì IP àäðåñîì è íàêàæåò âëàäåëüöà ýòîãî êîìïà. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
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: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 31, 2006 12:34am : |
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À ìîæíî ëè óçíàòü ãäå îí æèâ¸ò? Âîò, ïðåäïîëîæèì, ìíå, ÷åëîâåêó íå èìåþùåìó äîñòóïà ê ñâåðõñåêðåòíîé èíôîðìàöèè. |
Êîãäà ÿ óçíàþ ãäå îí æèâåò, ÿ åìó ñàì ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì ðûëî íà÷èùó ![Óëûáêà](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) |
Òåáå íà ìûëî âûñëàòü ëîã çà òîò äåíü èëè êàê?
Âîîáùå, íàñêîëüêî ïîíèìàþ - ýòî ðîáîòû-ñïàìåðû. ×àñòåíüêî óäàëÿþ èõ ñîîáùåíèÿ ñ ôîðóìà. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ ![](http://gerasimov.org/forum/images/hat.gif) |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
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: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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: , 31, 2006 4:29am : |
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Íó, à ðåàëüíî óçíàòü ïî èïè ìåñòî æèòåëüñòâà? Õîòÿ áû ïðèìåðíîå. |
Âîîáùå ðåàëüíî. Ñëîæíî, íî âîçìîæíî.
Ëþáîé çàïðîñ ê ñàéòó èäåò ñ êàêîãî-òî IP àäðåñà. Êàæäûé IP àäðåñ ïðèíàäëåæèò ê àäðåñíîìó ïðîñòðàíñòâó êàêîé-òî ôèðìû. Èäåøü íàïðèìåð íà ñàéò http://www.internic.net/whois.html óêàçûâàåøü òàì èíòåðåñóþùèé IP è ïîëó÷àåøü êîíòàêòíûé àäðåñ è òåëåôîí àäìèíèñòðàòîðà ñåòè ê êîòîðîé ýòîò IP ïðèíäàëåæèò. Ñâÿçûâàåøüñÿ ñ ýòèì àäìèíèñòðàòîðîì è ãîâîðèøü ìîë òîãäà-òî ñ òàêîãî-òî âàøåãî àäðåñà êî ìíå ïðèõîäèë çëîäåé. Åñëè ñóìååøü óáåäèòü òàìîøíåãî àäìèíà âûëåçòè èç êðåñëà è íàâåñòè ïîðÿäîê - îí ïî ñâîåé ñîáñòâåííîé êàðòå ïîñìîòðèò íà êàêîì ñòîëå ñòîèò êîìï ñ óêàçàíûì IP àäðåñîì è íàêàæåò âëàäåëüöà ýòîãî êîìïà. |
À åñëè èñïîëüçóþòñÿ àíîíèìíûå ïðîêñè? |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
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: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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Andrew (): |
Âîîáùå, íàñêîëüêî ïîíèìàþ - ýòî ðîáîòû-ñïàìåðû. ×àñòåíüêî óäàëÿþ èõ ñîîáùåíèÿ ñ ôîðóìà. |
À ïðè ðåãèñòðàöèè âêëþ÷åíà îïöèÿ "âïèñûâàòü ÷èñëî ñ êàðòèíêè"? Îíà îòñåêàåò 99,9% ðîáîòîâ. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
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: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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: , 31, 2006 4:35am : |
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À ïðè ðåãèñòðàöèè âêëþ÷åíà îïöèÿ "âïèñûâàòü ÷èñëî ñ êàðòèíêè"? Îíà îòñåêàåò 99,9% ðîáîòîâ. |
Íå ñ÷èòàë, ñêîëüêî ïðîöåíòîâ îòñåêàåò, íî ôàêò, ÷òî íå âñåõ. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ ![](http://gerasimov.org/forum/images/hat.gif) |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð
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: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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À ïðè ðåãèñòðàöèè âêëþ÷åíà îïöèÿ "âïèñûâàòü ÷èñëî ñ êàðòèíêè"? Îíà îòñåêàåò 99,9% ðîáîòîâ. |
Íå ñ÷èòàë, ñêîëüêî ïðîöåíòîâ îòñåêàåò, íî ôàêò, ÷òî íå âñåõ. |
ß òîæå íå ñ÷èòàë. Ïðîñòî ãîâîðèòü "îòñåêàåò 100%" íå ëþáëþ, èáî íåïðàâäà. À 99,9% ïîêàçûâàåò, ÷òî îòñåêàåòñÿ ïî÷òè âñå, íî, óâû, íå âñå.
Ìåíÿ íà ufacars ñïàìåðû ïðîñòî çàáîäàëè (íåñìîòðÿ íà ïîäòâåðæäåíèå ðåãèñòðàöèè ÷åðåç ïî÷òó). À êîãäà âêëþ÷èë ýòó îïöèþ, îíè ñòàëè ïðîðûâàòüñÿ 1-2 ðàçà â ìåñÿö. |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
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: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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À åñëè èñïîëüçóþòñÿ àíîíèìíûå ïðîêñè? |
À òîæå ñàìîå. Òîëüêî òîãäà åùå íàäî áóäåò ñìîòðåòü ëîãè ïðîêñè èëè ðàóòåðà. À åñëè îíè ëîãîâ íå âåäóò, òî ïðèéäåòñÿ ëîâèòü çëîäåÿ âî âðåìÿ ñåññèè. Èíòåðåñóåøüñÿ ó ïðîêñè, êàêîé àäðåñ ñ òîé ñòîðîíû çàïðîñèë êîííåêò ñ íàøèì àäðåñîì. |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
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: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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Òåáå íà ìûëî âûñëàòü ëîã çà òîò äåíü èëè êàê?
Âîîáùå, íàñêîëüêî ïîíèìàþ - ýòî ðîáîòû-ñïàìåðû. ×àñòåíüêî óäàëÿþ èõ ñîîáùåíèÿ ñ ôîðóìà. |
Âîçìîæíî ðîáîòû. ß ïîòîìó è õî÷ó ëîãè ñåðâåðà ïîñìîòðåòü. Åñëè îí îïÿòü ïîÿâèòñÿ - çàïèøè åãî IP è äàé ìíå ëîãè çà ýòîò äåíü, ïîïðîáóåì ïîíÿòü â êàêóþ äûðêó îí ïðîëåçàåò. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
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: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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Åñëè îí îïÿòü ïîÿâèòñÿ - çàïèøè åãî IP è äàé ìíå ëîãè çà ýòîò äåíü, ïîïðîáóåì ïîíÿòü â êàêóþ äûðêó îí ïðîëåçàåò. |
Äîãîâîðèëèñü. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ ![](http://gerasimov.org/forum/images/hat.gif) |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà
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: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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: , 6, 2006 1:40pm : |
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Ëîãè ìíå, ëîãè! Ñåãîäíÿ ïðèäóðîê ïðèõîäèë ÷åðåç Ïàðèæñêèé ïðîêñè... |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
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: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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Ôîðóì ñíîâà îáíîâëåí. _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ ![](http://gerasimov.org/forum/images/hat.gif) |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷
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: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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Íó, ÿ äóìàþ, ÿ ñâîèì ìíåíèåì íèêîãî íå óäèâëþ.
Ïðåäïî÷èòàþ âñå íàäåæíîå è ïðîâåðåííîå âðåìåíåì, à êðàñèâîñòè - äåëî äåñÿòîå. Õîòÿ ýòà ñàìàÿ òðåòüÿ âåðñèÿ íà ïåðâûé âçãëÿä (ïëîòíî ÿ ñ íåé íå èìåë äåëà, êîíå÷íî æå) íå îòòàëêèâàåò. Òî åñòü, ïî áîëüøîìó ñ÷åòó, ìíå ïîôèã. Ìîæíî è òðåòüþ, ìîæíî è âòîðóþ. À åñëè áû ðåøåíèå çàâèñåëî áû òîëüêî îò ìåíÿ, ÿ áû îñòàëñÿ ïîêà íà âòîðîé.
Åäèíñòâåííûé ìèíóñ òîãî, ÷òî âòîðàÿ âåðñèÿ áîëüøå íå áóäåò ïîääåðæèâàòüñÿ - ýòî, åñëè íàéäóò î÷åðåäíóþ äûðó áåçîïàñíîñòè, òî âî âòîðîé âåðñèè åå êàê áû ìîãóò è íå çàëàòàòü.
Íî, âî-ïåðâûõ, ôîðóì óæå òàêîé äàâíèøíèé, ÷òî âñå äûðû óæå íàøëè. Âî-âòîðûõ, ÿ íàäåþñü, ÷òî åñëè íàéäóò ÷òî-òî ñåðüåçíîå, òî çàïëàòêó äîëæíû âûïóñòèòü è äëÿ âòîðîé âåðñèè. Â-òðåòüèõ, çàïëàòêó ìîæíî ïðèäóìàòü è ïîñòàâèòü ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíî, âñå-òàêè â PHP ðàçîáðàòüñÿ ìîæíî. Íó è, ó÷èòûâàÿ òî, ÷òî âåðñèè áîëüøå îáíîâëÿòüñÿ íå áóäóò, ìîæíî ñî ñïîêîéíîé ñîâåñòüþ äîêîâûðèâàòü êîä ôîðóìà ñâîèìè ñèëàìè, óëó÷øàÿ åãî òàê, êàê õî÷åòñÿ (åñëè, êîíå÷íî, â ýòîì âîçíèêíåò íåîáõîäèìîñòü).
Âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå, ëó÷øå íå òîðîïèòüñÿ. Îáû÷íî âñå íîâîå - ñûðîå. Âîò âûïóñòÿò ïàðó-òðîéêó ñåðüåçíûõ ïàò÷åé, ïîòîì ìîæíî è ïåðåéòè, åñëè çàõî÷åòñÿ.
È â ñëó÷àå ñ Windows, ÿ ïåðåõîæó îáû÷íî ñðàçó íà ServicePack'è óæå, è íèêîãäà îá ýòîì íå æàëåë. |
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